Posts by Giordano

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Providing salvation is not that important

by pixel in

the washtowel has a crazy obsession with diminishing the important of jesus' sacrifice for humankind.

i find this so antichristian.

i mean, how can you ignore scriptures like john 3:16?.

Giordano

Jesus had to prepare the way for Jehovah to accept his sacrifice. In that way, Jesus would prove that doing things Jehovah’s way is the right way to live.

"Doing things Jehovah's way is the right way to live." And what evidence is there that worshiping a made up god is the right way to live? When history shows that the god of the old testament was a pretty evil god.

Are they talking about the same Jehovah that botched that whole inconvenience with Adam and Eve?

The same Jehovah who acted like he was insane having a hissy fit over the so called wickedness of the pre flood world and who demonstrated that he had no real compassion for any adult, mother, father, the little children........ even the unborn and anything else that was alive.

Jehovah the idiot god of Israel who called for the genocide of babies in their wars so that his chosen people could be secure.

'that doing things Jehovah’s way is the right way to live'

Really?

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racism

by Stealth in

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having been raised as a jw, racism was something that was never promoted.

i now have a 9 year old that has been visiting her biological grandmother and my ex-wife.

it is my child because i adopted her.

Giordano

There is a lot of racial bias in any number of ethnic communities. People who are more comfortable staying within the boundaries of old traditions.

Unfortunately that includes white supremacists whose old traditions were slavery, Jim Crow, and opposition against civil rights.

I found it shocking that this temporary step grandfather is telling your daughter that ‘she couldn’t like, date or marry anyone who was black’.

Sounds to me you've got a growing case of ignorant white supremacy in that household. I would also look up the sex offenders list on line, for that area to make sure his problems don't reach out in that direction.

I would hope your ex wife can mitigate his stupidity.

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racism

by Stealth in

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having been raised as a jw, racism was something that was never promoted.

i now have a 9 year old that has been visiting her biological grandmother and my ex-wife.

it is my child because i adopted her.

Giordano

It would help to know what kind of racism she is subjected to. It's one thing to say I hate Mexican food and another thing to say I hate Mexicans.

"showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another."

If she attends a school with a racial mix of students, as we have here in the USA, it is important that she is not overly influenced by her apparently racist grandmother and new husband as well as her mother. Such people use race as a way to shore up their perceived importance.

If these folks were still highly opinionated re the JW religion I would imagine you would limit her contact with them. As the witness beliefs are very dangerous as well as opinionated.

If they are as stupid as they sound, if it was up to me, I would seek to protect my child from crude and rude behavior.

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Jehovah's Witnesses commission secret report highly critical of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

by jwleaks in

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on 14 november 2018, australian-based barristers david bennett ac, qc and james gibson presented to watchtower australia and the jehovah’s witnesses organisation their commissioned review and opinion on the findings and recommendations of the royal commission into the institutional responses to child sexual abuse as it related to jehovah’s witnesses.. .

the review entitled “review of the commission’s investigation into jehovah’s witnesses and its ensuing reports” was divided into four parts, as follows:.

part one considered the history and powers of royal commissions in general.. .

Giordano

"If you pay people they will tell you what you want to hear." Thank you Slim this is a good point:

What I'd like to hear is that the 1006 cases of Child sexual abuse, on file in the Branch Offices and never handed over to the proper authorities, are not getting a free pass.

I'd also like to hear that the various communities where these pedophiles roamed about knocking on doors in hope that they could offer a free bible study for an innocent family. And there by gain access to the innocent child.

The one thing we and the community at large needs to understand is that this is not a one off crime. It is a reinforced habit........ once a child is groomed it becomes a feeding frenzy.

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My wife and I have begun our fade

by James Jack in

i haven’t posted in awhile.

my wife asked me after the year 2000 came and went without fanfare(because the wt organization said all the “new world” would be here within this 20th century would end), “ what would it take for you to leave the truth?”.

my reply was “ if i turn 60 in this “system of things”.

Giordano

On this age issue:

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes at the age of 90 ....... upon seeing a pretty girl.......Was heard to say "Oh, to be 70 again! ...

Since no one has ever escaped death........ every one of us live's with that fact.

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Shifting tides

by lastmanstanding in

sexual abuse never permissible.

assuming that the montana supreme court’s recent opinion in the jehovah’s witnesses case (nunez v. watchtower bible, 2020 mt 3) sets forth the state of the law, then the law needs to be changed.. .

first, no person should be allowed to sexually or physically abuse another person — minor or adult — and be protected from the consequences of that heinous act by a shape-shifting religious rule, protocol or doctrine.

Giordano

I agree with these realistic improvements re the child and adult sexual abuses.

A crime is a crime........ a sin like sexual abuse is both.......but it's still a crime first and foremost.

Many religions shield themselves by claiming these are their religious beliefs like the two witness rule re the JW's. Or the charity tax evasions that a number of religions hide under.

Change is a must when it comes to any institutions, be it a non profit, a university, or a so called religion like the Mormons that have amassed 100 billion dollars for the purpose of funding Charities when the reality is they have collected and grown their holdings and managed not to spend a penny on any charitable programs. The JW Corporation and Scientology join in this same tax evasion crime.

The Catholic Church does spend money on it's charities but what does one do about a criminal record of 1970 plus years permitting sexual child abuse and adult rape. Recent reporting indicates it is still going on.

The first amendment in the US Constitution and many over countries...... provides for freedom of religion... but also police powers to redress any grievances. That's the issue this has come down to.

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After the death of a spouse, how long did people wait to get remarried?

by RubaDub in

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i was on the phone with a long-time friend from my original congregation north of new york city and she told me that the 'shit hit the fan' when a brother (long-time elder i know well) got remarried about 6 weeks after his wife died.. he was about 60 and his new wife (a pioneer that i also know) was about 50 and had never been married.. it became a huge issue when the co came.

due to all the talk and chatter in the congregation, he even included in one of his talks without naming names, that marriage is something sacred and that when and how people get married is a personal matter as long as it conforms to bible standards.. anyway, it shut everybody up.

any similar experiences in your current/former congregations?.

Giordano

In a general sense one of two things can happen. A beloved mate passes away. It's a very difficult thing to get through. The greater the marriage the greater the loss. Dealing with that loss may take years and many people refuse to remarry.

On the other hand you can't stand the loss of your companion. You miss their company, the silly stuff, the laughter. You miss not having that person in your life. At some point you reach out and try to find companionship.

In the JW world, dating, spending quality time with a person alone can be difficult under the watchful eyes of the Elders and the congregation. The person this brother married may have been someone that he and his wife had known and liked for any number of years.

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Were You Willing To Die For Jehovah?

by minimus in

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we were supposed to be dedicated unconditionally to jehovah god.

we were willing to be persecuted to the death if need be.

if it came to taking a blood transfusion or dying, we were loyal to jehovah and would be a martyr for god.

Giordano

The answer to this question is...NO!

I knew at sixteen that Jehovah was a made up name for a god that didn't exist. And the WTBTS was a made up religion that did exist....unfortunately.

If we were told that we had to die for the WTBTS that would put an honest face on the question of human sacrifice.

For those that lost family and close friends because the WT said that they had to die for want of a life saving blood transfusion...... Welcome to Jonestown...... pretend poison drinking practice is held 3 evenings a week....... everyone is welcome.

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My Grandmothers Funeral

by Enrique Tomlinson 1 in

my beloved grandmother has passed away and her funeral is next week at a kingdom hall.

she was a loyal jw, and unfortunately i am not understanding of the funeral procedures.

please could you kindly explain what what will happen in the funeral?

Giordano

I am sorry for your loss. I am also sorry that you will have to endure the waste of time a JW funeral service is.

I have attended four close family funeral services over a 30 year period who were 'memorialized' for being a JW. Usually this personal part took 3 to 10 minutes. The next 30 to 40 minutes is a religious corporate recruitment talk....... and self congratulation about how wonderful being a JW is.

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Which songs give you goosebumps?

by LoveUniHateExams in

i don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?

', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.

y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.

Giordano

I've got a better one...... well sort of....... the Kennedy Center tribute to Led Zeppelin.

The band now is considerably older... Robert Plant, guitarist Jimmy Page, bassist/keyboardist John Paul Jones.... then you may remember as they sit in the audience waiting for their final tribute.

Here is what you will see and experience: The Final song is Stairway to Heaven.

Heart........ with Nancy and Ann's vocal and guitar and Jason Bonham on drums is only the start. Slowly each section of the song adds more performers.

It starts to peak with the colossal Jimmy Page guitar solo...some consider maybe the greatest rock solo ever. It's really short so you need to pay attention.

Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart, along with Jason Bonham, playing Stairway to Heaven as a tribute.

Robert Plant looks concerned having women sing his song and in general looks upset at the presentation of Stairway to Heaven.....until.

The Jimmy Page solo by one of the Kennedy Center's core of musicians nails the solo. Page's look of joy told everyone he loved the performance.

During all of this time singers were slowly coming on stage. After the Page solo you can see the families of Zed LEP can't believe their eye's. The stage now has another 30 to 40 more singers who were hidden.

This was a great tribute and performance. If heaven is anything like this..... count me in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqqHD52fL58