Posts by Giordano

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Dumb things JWs believed

by JimmyYoung in

i am not talking about the usual crap from the cult writings, but rather things idiots believed on their own.

maybe even helped on by the cult but not directly taught.

i knew an old man now long gone kunde in michigan.

Speaking of Chiropractors There was a congregation I gave a public talk in Northwestern Pennsylvania. This would have been in 1962 or there about. Later on I learned that the Presiding Minister, who was a chiropractor, gave a very 'special adjustment' to a couple of married sisters.

A couple of Sisters? Goodness how did they sit in a KH and listen to this guy. Or meet and greet their fellow congregants?

I never followed up if all involved got divorced....... apparently the circuit wasn't in favor of letting people know about this.

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Dumb things JWs believed

by JimmyYoung in

i am not talking about the usual crap from the cult writings, but rather things idiots believed on their own.

maybe even helped on by the cult but not directly taught.

i knew an old man now long gone kunde in michigan.

Giordano

Hi Jimmy,

There has always been a fascination with false information in the Witness world especially quick cures that don't work and false conclusions posing as real science.

You can go back to the era of Miracle Wheat sponsored by Russell. Wheat that was sold to the Bible Students for many times more then regular wheat.

On March 22, 1911, The Brooklyn Daily Eagle reported that Russell was accused of gaining profit from a strain of wheat named "Miracle Wheat" by K.B. Stoner of Fincastle, Virginia, who claimed to have discovered this strain. Russell sold the wheat for $60 per bushel, far above the average cost of wheat at the time. Throughout 1912 and 1913, the Eagle continued to report on Russell's alleged fraud. Russell sued the Eagle for libel, but lost. A government expert investigated the "Miracle Wheat" and said it "was low in the Government tests". Prior to entering the court, the Eagle declared that "at the trial it will show that "Pastor" Russell's religious cult is nothing more than a money-making scheme."[87]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell#'Miracle_Wheat'

And of course there was the entire pyramid fiasco.

I remember on a personal level the friends were more then willing to believe in false cures especially relating to cancer..

I recall that there was a certain loaf of bread that could cure cancer, there were coffee enemas and grape therapy and that aluminium cookware was a cancer cause.

In the 1950's they tried to make the case that Blood transfusions were dangerous. A part from scripture it was medically wrong. This was after World War Two , Korea and Vietnam. And millions of troops saved.

All in all we lost two members of our family well before their time that needed blood for a surgical procedure one to cure a heart defect and the other to be able to stay on the surgical table while they cut away tumors. Her blood pressure dropped with out blood and they had to stop the surgery.

I guess there was a lot of misinformation re the Societies input on medical issues.

I learned to never trust a corporation when they presented a 'certainly' as to an outcome. Especially anything from a religion.

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Ever notice this about X JWs

by JimmyYoung in

its not just x jws but religious people in general.

they feel free to post this crap on the internet about jesus is lord share this post, or some drivel but then if you post any thing that questions it you get jumped on like someone saying the earth is a globe at a flat earth convention.

they can say what ever they want but don't dare question it.

Giordano

I think Vidiot has the truth of it.....at least in our case. My wife and I fled the Society in the mid 1960's.......... my mother despaired over the length of my hair. She couldn't get past it.

She remained an uber JW. Died at the age of ninety still believing Armageddon was right around the corner.

It was a looser religion in that era....a lot of parties, drink fests. International assemblies....... pioneering where the need was great and of course avoiding Vietnam.

Then as the 1960's progressed it all unraveled in the late sixties for our generation. 1975 turned into a laughing stock.

The Elder arrangement was reinstated, Raymond Franz questioned why the JW's couldn't study their bible where one or two gathered together. He was spanked soundly and shunned and the beginning of the end started.

We are definitely in the last days folks......at least for the WT Society you can't stay viable if over sixty percent of born-ins leave.

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How many here believe the WTS really has has 8.5 million followers / 8.5. million members

by Hotpepper in

i think it's closer to 5 million with all the selling of kingdom hells and branch bethel's all over the world.

it's even hard to get a hard copy of the lastest craptower or afake mag now in new york city..

Giordano

How many turn in deceptive or misguided field service reports will always be a question.

Counting numbers is more of a business way of keeping track. Since this religion is more of a corporation then a religion the numbers misdirect.

The Mormons list a membership of 18 plus million Mormons. But they get to that figure by counting every one who was born-in or joined the Mormon religion but turned inactive.

In the past....... JW yearbook surveys included.....Baptisms, Peak Publishers and 'Leavers'. Check the memorial attendance and deduct peak publishers and you have an idea who shows up once a year out of respect or curiosity.

Leavers could be JW's who died, or JW's who left the religion. The numbers I saw indicted that half of those who identified with the religion left it one way or another.

While you can still leave........ as long as you don't mind being shunned in one form or another .........prior to 1980........ a person who left without having committed a major sin simply left. Family and friends could stay in contact. The friendships usually faded, but family ties could be maintained.

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Name Thelogy explained by real bible scholar

by Steel in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuf_6bp-cke&t=205s.

its only 5 mins and kind of a eureka moment for me.

its actually pretty funny once you think about it.

Giordano

In the New Testament being a witness of Jesus is mentioned over 20 times....... being a witness of Jehovah is not mentioned at all. And only once in the Old Testament.

Besides which their was no J in the Jewish alphabet up to 400 plus years ago.

Sorry guys but Jehovah and Jesus were not their proper names after the Latin alphabet took over. Getting Latinized is a bitch.

The name of God used most often in the Hebrew Bible is YHWH ( י ה ו ה), also known as the Tetragrammaton (Greek for "four-letter [word]"). Hebrew is an abjad, so the word's letters Yōd, Hē, Vav, Hē are usually taken for consonants and expanded to Yahweh in English.

Jesus' name in Hebrew was “Yeshua” which translates to English as Joshua.

To this day we are not even close to understanding God and Jesus's names.
Your prayers or messages aren't answered if you can't call the person you worship by their proper name. They don't pick up the phone.

It was Rutherford ( a drunk) who decided to use the name Jehovah as in Jehovah's Witnesses. By doing that he did not get the singular message out that being a witness for Jesus would have been. People could understand a witness for Jesus.......but Jehovah? To this day.......not really.

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What is the term for a group that blatantly lies about what is going on but doesn't revise the past?

by HiddenPimo in

2016 yearbook.

Giordano

You can't make this crap up.

"more then 1300 new halls need to be built or renovated."

It should read these days that more then 1300 Halls were closed and sold off. The times do change.

Memo to the Society we JW's can always find a place to rent. They are called Kingdom Halls because that's what the congregation's rented....... that and store fronts. I guess calling it the Kingdom Store Front didn't work.

President Eisenhower and his family, when he was growing up, used their living room as their offical KH.

I've personally served in small store front KH's as well as second floor KH. If you couldn't walk up a flight of stairs you couldn't attend the meetings.

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Will God resurrect our beloved pets? What do you think?

by Pallbearer in

the watchtower doesn't hold out any hope for us ever seeing our beloved animals again.

i find it very difficult to believe that god -- a god of love -- would refuse to resurrect an animal that we had become so attached to.

over the years i have bonded with no less than four (4) dogs, all of which were/are like family to me.

Giordano

First off in my life there is no god who gives anyone a do over. Lazarus doesn't count he was just one of many of Jesus's parlor tricks.

Hence no resurrection for anyone ...... death is a vacuum. You go in but you can't come back out. R.I.P is all we've got.

As Far as pets go...... I'd vote children first .

As of now I have decided to give up my rights to a resurrection.......... so a worthy child can experience a full life.

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Providing salvation is not that important

by pixel in

the washtowel has a crazy obsession with diminishing the important of jesus' sacrifice for humankind.

i find this so antichristian.

i mean, how can you ignore scriptures like john 3:16?.

Giordano

Jesus had to prepare the way for Jehovah to accept his sacrifice. In that way, Jesus would prove that doing things Jehovah’s way is the right way to live.

"Doing things Jehovah's way is the right way to live." And what evidence is there that worshiping a made up god is the right way to live? When history shows that the god of the old testament was a pretty evil god.

Are they talking about the same Jehovah that botched that whole inconvenience with Adam and Eve?

The same Jehovah who acted like he was insane having a hissy fit over the so called wickedness of the pre flood world and who demonstrated that he had no real compassion for any adult, mother, father, the little children........ even the unborn and anything else that was alive.

Jehovah the idiot god of Israel who called for the genocide of babies in their wars so that his chosen people could be secure.

'that doing things Jehovah’s way is the right way to live'

Really?

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racism

by Stealth in

jw
friends

having been raised as a jw, racism was something that was never promoted.

i now have a 9 year old that has been visiting her biological grandmother and my ex-wife.

it is my child because i adopted her.

Giordano

There is a lot of racial bias in any number of ethnic communities. People who are more comfortable staying within the boundaries of old traditions.

Unfortunately that includes white supremacists whose old traditions were slavery, Jim Crow, and opposition against civil rights.

I found it shocking that this temporary step grandfather is telling your daughter that ‘she couldn’t like, date or marry anyone who was black’.

Sounds to me you've got a growing case of ignorant white supremacy in that household. I would also look up the sex offenders list on line, for that area to make sure his problems don't reach out in that direction.

I would hope your ex wife can mitigate his stupidity.

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racism

by Stealth in

jw
friends

having been raised as a jw, racism was something that was never promoted.

i now have a 9 year old that has been visiting her biological grandmother and my ex-wife.

it is my child because i adopted her.

Giordano

It would help to know what kind of racism she is subjected to. It's one thing to say I hate Mexican food and another thing to say I hate Mexicans.

"showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another."

If she attends a school with a racial mix of students, as we have here in the USA, it is important that she is not overly influenced by her apparently racist grandmother and new husband as well as her mother. Such people use race as a way to shore up their perceived importance.

If these folks were still highly opinionated re the JW religion I would imagine you would limit her contact with them. As the witness beliefs are very dangerous as well as opinionated.

If they are as stupid as they sound, if it was up to me, I would seek to protect my child from crude and rude behavior.