Posts by Giordano

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My letter of disassociation, what do you think?

by James Jack in

dear brothers, july 27, 2020. in 1919, the president of the watchtower society made a bold prediction, “millions now living will never die”.

that quotation was constantly repeated by the organization till the year 2000 when they realized that everyone in attendance at that assembly, who listened to j.r. rutherford repeat those words, are dead.. that teaching has guided my life.

statements were repeatedly made at assemblies, conventions and in print that there was no career in “this system of things” so you don’t need a job with benefits or retirement, your fulltime job is to “preach the good news”!

Giordano

James when Jonestrown exploded they blocked the exit points. Trails and roads to allow families, children to escape. A religion like that is a mean son of a bitch.

It was all or nothing ......you got out or you died...... and they really wanted to kill you and your family.

Google the photographs of Jonestown. I look at them once a year to remind myself that the most sincere intentional religions can collapse and take everyone with them.

You will need a public voice and a following so don't avoid ripping the local JWs a new one....if they come at you.

In Jonestown it was all or nothing it was you and your family..... you got out or died.

How about telling this reality to the Elders. Shut the F up or you will expose their dirty laundry.

THe JW religion is a criminal enterprise. Coercion is a crime. The demand to shun is a civil crime. Forget about freedom of religion..... understand that you can't have freedom of religion unless you can have Freedom from religion.

Let's face facts....... nobody in public life believes in the JW ignorance and stupidity. Because of their Ban on Blood they kill off as many as Jonestown did each and every year.

When you get out...... carry a big stick and use it on this mindless religion. Ignorant people have a problem thinking things through. A little pain gets to the point.

Good Luck.....be a great public servant.

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The mormon church(The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)

by asp59 in

anyone here thats a former mormon?

a person in the internet wrote abouth them.

that community could not be more impressive in its cohesion, sincerity, benevolence, decency, patriotism, and faith.. i seen mormons go from house to house before the convid virus.they always seem cheerful.

Giordano

According to history Joseph Smith had 30 wives before he was shot to death in a city jail. Probably by pissed off ex husbands.

On the other hand: Brigham Young (1801–1877) was perhaps the most famous polygamist of the early Latter Day Saint movement, marrying a total of 55 wives

Dude's keep it in your pants for gods sake!!

The Mormons lie about their numbers. The lie part is that every person born a Mormon is still considered a Mormon even if they leave the religion.

So the Mormons can claim 18 million.

The JW's can easily claim a similar number except they don't count anyone who has left their religion.

Both of these religions have a nasty side......and a very nasty history.

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JW.org Focus on the Past - Have Always Wondered?

by JWTom in

just curious of others thoughts.....while watching the latest round of convention videos with my pimi wife it was highlighted again in the content how much the wt org.

has always focused on the past (in my opinion).

many of the historical events that are highlighted as significant are from 100+ years ago in some cases.

Giordano

The problem is that like any number of religions the WTBTS painted it's self into a corner.

How do you walk back a church approved teaching? If you do...... you weaken your believers.

What changed every thing was the internet. Starting in the late 1980's and then into the 1990's we finally had information about the WTBTS. All of a sudden we could second guess the historic claims..... if not all religions............ most of them. Many of these religions became boutique religions. The Mormons, the WTBTS, the Christian Scientists....people who were trapped in these newer religions began to question what and why.

I think we forget that the Jehovah's Witnesses or the WTBTS was formed in the 19th century as a publishing house. This was a time when a high school education was a big deal. This was also a century that flourished with many many new religions.

Looking back it is obvious that traditional religions were no longer providing clarity and a message that you could trust.You name it and there they were....... a bunch of new religions each with a message, a plan and a way forward.

People joined because religion was a mainstay of daily life.

We didn't know any better.

Lets remember that being a JW was also being in a social construct. Over the years your family, friends etc. were in those closed off and private religions. We had a vague idea of how it started but hardly a library had a history of the JW's. We went along and got along and only learned later that a lot of the trust we put into the Society and head honcho's....... was misplaced.

Their are tons of religions that turned out to be a fool's folly.

JW was just one of them and judged on many different levels...... a total failure. Their numbers are not the sign of their real value.........it's the intent that matters.

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No more hour requirements for pioneers

by solomon in

it was announced at the meeting.

do what you are able to because of covid.. i think i should sign up as i’m able to meet the hour requirements.

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Giordano

Looks like I finaly did get it removed!

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No more hour requirements for pioneers

by solomon in

it was announced at the meeting.

do what you are able to because of covid.. i think i should sign up as i’m able to meet the hour requirements.

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Giordano

I have spent 12 minutes trying to get this message off of here. It was the tag line in a very short movie when two senior sisters knock at a door and encounter a very rude man.

Sorry for the inability to remove this comment.

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The mormon church(The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)

by asp59 in

anyone here thats a former mormon?

a person in the internet wrote abouth them.

that community could not be more impressive in its cohesion, sincerity, benevolence, decency, patriotism, and faith.. i seen mormons go from house to house before the convid virus.they always seem cheerful.

Giordano

So there are two Mormons walking down a sidewalk and two JW Elders walking up the sidewalk.

They face one another and the two JW elders say 'we don't move out of the way for non believers.....

We do!....... say the Mormons and then step around the Elders.

Both religions are extreme and uninformed. Though you can have a more 'normal life' as a Mormon re education wise....... otherwise their really is nothing to like or respect within their Joseph Smith made up fantesy.

On the other hand being a JW is totally pathetic. Unless you can embrace stupid. A JW knows nothing and doesn't want or need...... to learn anything.

The Mormons........ due to their education are far more educated then the JW's.

Having learned the JW beliefs as a young person........ I am still embarrassed. If I was a Mormon I would be equality embarrassed. Being a dumb ass seldom works out.

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Pioneering for real

by Giordano in

i promised mom i'd pioneer for a year after graduating hs.. but!

i didn't say where.. i chose a small store front kingdom hall in kane pa, one of the coldest places in nw pennsylvania.

they were impressed with their frosty weather.

Giordano

I stopped pioneering after three years. My wife and I were settled in and we enjoyed the streams and rivers. This was a good recreation area. Great fishing, winter sports , ice skating 20 degrees below.

However Trout fishing was my passion. Being on the stream was more then just being outdoors........ it was spiritual.

So one summer day I was trout fishing on the Kinsua stream/river. I had worked my way upstream and noticed that a car had stopped on the old bridge. There was little to no traffic.

While I was casting up stream I brushed what I thought was a bee cause I could hear the buzzing going past my ear. Then a Bang? What the...?

My body understood before I did it was the first time I ever experienced a dangerous life threatening situation......someone had shot at me.....or so I thought. And the next thing I knew.......... was me laying in the mud of the stream. The gun fire tapered off after a while and I noticed that there was something floating down stream....... something silvery.

It was beer cans. Someone had not realized I was down stream and the ricochets had sent their shots in my direction. The beer cans were un harmed and went on their way safely. I remained hunkering down until A car started up and went on it's merry way.

I watched it disappear down the road too far way to see the license plate. When I finally stood up and made my way off of the stream. I realized I learned two things that day Jehovah didn't give a damn and bullets can easily ricochet off water...... ( compare stone skipping).

I think that encounter in it's way forced me to drop the notion that a JW pioneer had a real investment in the JW's. I might have come to a different lesson if a voice told me to take cover.......you dumb sum of a bitch!

But It was over for me.

I went home and told my wife what happened and being a JW was over for me. Her response was "I never believed in it so leaving is not a problem."

Who knew?

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Pioneering for real

by Giordano in

i promised mom i'd pioneer for a year after graduating hs.. but!

i didn't say where.. i chose a small store front kingdom hall in kane pa, one of the coldest places in nw pennsylvania.

they were impressed with their frosty weather.

Giordano

The Way it was:

I promised Mom I'd pioneer for a year after graduating HS.

BUT! I didn't say where.

I chose a small store front Kingdom Hall in Kane Pa, One of the coldest places in NW Pennsylvania. They were impressed with their frosty weather. I wasn't.... not going door to door.

So I contracted with a land owner to rent me a cabin. Which was $15 dollars per month. Including all Utilizes except heat. Which I chopped.

But there was another problem....... no toilet./.... I had assumed there was a toilet when I opened the door. But didn't glance in back of the door. No Toilet.

So I was stuck with the snow covered out house. The problem was that there were bullet holes in the door. There is nothing more unsettling then sitting in an outhouse with head high bullet holes in the door.

I reasoned my way to decide for a hot coffee and some breakfast food at a local restaurant with no bullet holes in their rest room door.

Worth the expense .

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Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

by Parker in

i'm new to the forum.

i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

i'm here to drop by every once in a while to ask a question or two.

Giordano

RubaDub... tuck it back in .......you don 't have to salute your little general every time he or she shows up.

Eve's bush is not in flames........ she's doing fine. Kinda well past Adam. How about the Flood........ I'd bet Eve got out of that bullshit.....took the kids and high tailed it.

The God of of the old Testament was one of the dumbest Gods ever.

This is a key embarrassment about the Christian god. He's an idiot!

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Using gods name

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

i've never thought about it before, but isn't it some sort of blasphemy and extremism to use a god's name in the official name of your religion?.

g..

Giordano

Let's keep it simple. Jehovah was not God's name it is a made up name that was first published by a Catholic Monk in I think the 12th century maybe the 13th. The WTBTS acknowledges this.

If Jesus was down with Father or Lord....... leave it be. Good enough for Jesus....... good enough for me.

I think that there is a case to be made for not calling God by a man made name.

There is also a level of disrespect at play. If I am walking down a street in my small city where everyone just about knows everyone else and I hear "Hey Gio! Giordano !" I am going to respond...however if some one calls me John or Jolly Rodger then I know they don't mean me. So I don't interact.

Now let's move this to a different place. Heaven is God's home. Did you ever think how pissed off God would be if your praying to a God with a made up name like...Jehovah? Is that one of the reasons God doesn't interact?

Now you've got the reason prayers are not answered. There's no one home and there's no answering service.

A final thought...... Christians were supposed to be Witnesses For Jesus.......... says so some 20 times plus in the New Testament...witness of Jehovah is mentioned once in the Old Testament .

The Society really screwed up when they named their shinny new religion...... Jehovah's Witnesses. To this day people are confused by that name. We explained out in service that Jehovah is the name of our God...before the door is slammed in our face.