D-- I'm not the only one, am I? I was sick of screwing up and feeling worthless, so I gave up and went to see what was out here while I still had time. It wasn't until several years later that I found out the real truth about the religion I was raised in. Now I won't go back because of A, C, F, G (ex. Malawi and the UN added together), and H-- their beliefs kill people. I will have no part in it and I will not expose my child to it.
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POLL/SURVEY- Why Did You Leave The Organization of JW's?
by PublishingCult inwhy did you leave the organization of jehovah's witnesses, and/or why are you contemplating leaving the organization of jehovah's witnesses?.
i've tried to boil it down to the most likely answers based on all the reasons i have heard over the years from xjw's.
a. because the watchtower bible & tract society does not have the truth.. b. because i had a personality conflict with other members of the organization.. c. because i discovered that the wtbts was not being honest or forthcoming about its history.. d. because serving jehovah was too difficult and i just wanted to be worldly and do wicked things.. e. because the governing body of jehovah's witnesses have proved to be false prophets.. f. because i found just cause to disagree with erroneous jw teachings.. g. because the governing body and/or elders were hypocritical.
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Do Children Who Get Baptized Have Any Legal Leeway To Leave The Religion When They Are Older Without Shunning?
by minimus inafter reading the threads on watchtower encouraging 10 year olds to take the baptismal plunge, i wonder if they have an actual legal right to terminate their agreements without any penalty enforced by the organization.. i think those of us who were "too young" to enter into any contract could be absolved of any agreements, even religious vows, because we were still obviously too young to understand all the "fine print" before signing.. what do you think??
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DanaBug
Minimus,
This is something I've been thinking about lately too. I know the shunning won't stop. But what if some case sets a precedent so that children cannot enter into that contract with the WTBTS? If I ever won the lottery, had the money to do it, I would try it. I'm no lawyer, but I think it would take establishing that those baptismal vows are the legal basis for disfellowshipping and therefore a religious contract or law that minors cannot legally be held to or allowed to be part of in the first place. It wouldn't be about stopping shunning but stopping minors from being baptized.
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Social Networks are a threat to the Watchtower Society
by FrankWTower inin recent months there have been massive protests and demonstrations against autocratic rulers in the middle east and north africa.
many of these were possible in part because the protesters used social media services like facebook, youtube and twitter to get the word out and let the world know what was going on.
these services are so threatening to many governments that they're blocked in order to control their people.
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DanaBug
Punkofnice,
I replyed "no" and passed it to some apostate friends, hehe!
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So according to the Jun 15 WT, Jesus ransom sacrifice only applies to the anointed class a.k.a the GB.
by onemore inive noticed for a while now (especially at the assemblies) the frequent use of the term: jehovahs friends whenever they referr to the second class christian, ahem....great crowd, aka the non-anointed christian with earthly hope.
even in some wt studies they often throw in phrases like seeking friendship with jehovah, our friend jehovah, etc.
so, the subtle message is clear, the great crowd are not children of god, they are friends of god.
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Miz, that is really similar, I think. Heck, you can be crazy as a loon and it's over looked if you're anointed. But you always have to check yourself if you're other sheep.
I wasn't really thinking about the perks the big boys get. What does it take to lose your anointing? I don't know what they say, I know they can be df'd but do they lose it if they are and come back? For the other sheep, their surviving depends on how much they do, the attitude they have, not getting df'd before the big A, and even then it's not certain. If I had realized that while in. . .I keep reading stuff like this and thinking, "how did I miss that before?"
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So according to the Jun 15 WT, Jesus ransom sacrifice only applies to the anointed class a.k.a the GB.
by onemore inive noticed for a while now (especially at the assemblies) the frequent use of the term: jehovahs friends whenever they referr to the second class christian, ahem....great crowd, aka the non-anointed christian with earthly hope.
even in some wt studies they often throw in phrases like seeking friendship with jehovah, our friend jehovah, etc.
so, the subtle message is clear, the great crowd are not children of god, they are friends of god.
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Doesn't that mean that the great crowd have to work for their gift but the anointed don't? I wonder if that's why the number partaking keeps growing. Sounds like it's a lot easier to be anointed.
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Should I contact the Society and tell them I want out?
by sinis inas of late i have been thinking about this.
my sig other and i have successfully faded, and the last kh i attended (cards were moved to) was like 8+ years ago.
i really do not care either way, however i have been asking myself as of late if i should.
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My thoughts, no experience, if you feel like you need to and you're okay with the consequences, do it. Don't expect a reply though.
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Present some evidence for evolution...
by Spade inthere's no evidence that can't be overturned and exposed as deception in the scientific community.
jehovah's witnesses don't stonewall any new findings.
we have degree regarding adaptation.
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If environmental adaptation has impacted the species at the DNA level and the DNA sequence AGCGGAGCTTA has mutated to ATCGGAACTTA, making the Ensatina escholtzii incapable of interbreeding with its common ancestor at the other end of the ring (genetically unidentical), the mutation for all practical purposes was destructive as macroevolution never progresses beyond this point. It would evidently take an intelligent designer to complete the process.
They do interbreed. Tom Devitt found that female klauberi will mate with male eschscholtzii and males of it's own species, but female eschscholtzii will only mate with males of their own species.
In the 1960s, one of Robert Stebbins' graduate students, Charles W. Brown, discovered a few locations in Southern California where the muted western form (eschscholtzii) and the blotchy eastern form (klauberi) live together and actually do interbreed, producing blurrily blotched hybrids. 5
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/devitt_06
Read all of this and then explain why these salamander ring species aren't proof of evolution: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/devitt_01
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They Gotta Know They are Running a Cult - a Rant
by OnTheWayOut ini go back and forth on this one.
do the governing body members or some higher-ups behind the curtain of the wizard really know they are running a scam of a dangerous mind-control cult?
or are they victims of their own cult?
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This reminds me of the video for Bethelites that Randy posted, and one GB member was talking about when he worked binding the books and they were told to hurry because Armageddon was coming and well . . . it didn't but it's still coming. I don't know if they're aware of what they're actually doing, but it seems like they can justify anything if it's good for the organization. If they know, they're sick and if they don't, they're captives of that concept. I have a hard time believing they know what they're doing because of all the other things that would mean. It's just easier for me to believe they're victims of that concept. Hey, maybe there'll be a new defector like Ray Franz and then we can find out.
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WARNING for active JW's
by Anony Mous inas you may have heard if you attended recently, social networking is of the devil and many have been 'lead astray' by website supposedly set up for jw.
whatever, you heard it before about rock, hard rock, hip hop, rap, gangsta rap, tv, werewolves .... anyway you may have heard of the recent elder school where basically there were the proverbial tongue lashings about not having social networking sites.
here is the skinny on recent developments:.
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Misery, would you tell djeggnog that? He seems to think that doesn't happen (the HLC). Not that it would convince him or anything though. Wonder if he went to the KM school too.
I also wonder what kind of legal issues would come up if they started doing this. Of course, if their legal department is as large and influential as some say, I'm sure they could get around it. It kind of sounds far-fetched, but I wouldn't put it past them either. It's so Orwellian.
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"No looting" -- reports from Japan. What, only JW's remain?
by FatFreek 2005 incheck it out with your favorite search tool.
japan and looting.
you will see report after report with the same theme -- virtually little to no looting.. now note this, from wiki: about 70 percent of japanese profess no religious membership,according to johnstone (1993:323), 84% of the japanese claim no personal religion.. is it possible that a country that is so devoid of religion to have such a high degree of respect for the belongings of their fellow citizens?.
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I really admire the Japanese, the way they do things and make things. Their culture seems to be more community and group oriented and they're really big on honor. In the U.S. we value the individual more and I think that shows up in negative ways, like looting and stepping on others to get what you want. We're pretty selfish compared to them. But there also isn't looting here everytime some catastrophe happens and we help each other too. Those stories just don't make for good ratings.