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Do You Hate The Jehovah's Witness Religion?

by minimus in

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i see some here who seem to despise the religion.

others seem to feel that witnesses are wacky but they don't hate them.. do you hate this religion?.

jay88

OBVES-No other church organization on the face of the earth fulfills this passage but it must be fulfilled for Jesus to return .

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According to the WT Jesus returned in 1914?

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Paul, leading authority on Christianity, does NOT quote Jesus!

by Terry in

paul's letters practically invent christianity.. the gospels trickled in after him.. paul never walked with jesus and yet explains him.. never a quote from the master at all.. yet, paul is such a maven.. if jesus couldn't be bothered to actually reveal what he was all about to his apostles with whom he ate, drank, spoke and slept---why this persecutor, saul?.

the apostles heard every word jesus spoke and were willing to die for him.. paul didn't--yet--miraculously explained every detail of the entire history of god's purpose including his messiah.. .

can anybody provide a non-gimmick answer?.

jay88

tec-No, that is their gospel according to their understanding of the bible, isn't it? There is no divine, direct revelation as far as I know with the GB, or WBTS.

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WTBTS--Say they are anointed, thru Christ

No different than Paul claiming divine revelation.

But of course you claim your self-revelation (we are supposed to be able to learn from the Holy Spirit) is more legitimate than WTBTS claim of being anointed.

There is more proof that Paul was boastful towards the Apostles, than anyone claiming that Christ speaks to them directly.

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On taking offense and taking responsibility

by Lion Cask in

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the darth plagueis soap opera is already winding down.

the hapless plagueis, it seems, said some naughty words that contravened the posting guidelines and he has brought down on his head the wrath of the owner and his moderators.

regardless, this is not about the benevolent dictatorship that is jwn but about standards of behaviour, permissiveness and tolerance and what, exactly, causes offense.

jay88

You know I felt bad for the dollar comment I made on your thread, not because of the comment but because it was your thread.

forgive me,

Jay

P.S.---the corn thing left an impression, still lmao,---please don't neuter your sense of humor.

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Paul, leading authority on Christianity, does NOT quote Jesus!

by Terry in

paul's letters practically invent christianity.. the gospels trickled in after him.. paul never walked with jesus and yet explains him.. never a quote from the master at all.. yet, paul is such a maven.. if jesus couldn't be bothered to actually reveal what he was all about to his apostles with whom he ate, drank, spoke and slept---why this persecutor, saul?.

the apostles heard every word jesus spoke and were willing to die for him.. paul didn't--yet--miraculously explained every detail of the entire history of god's purpose including his messiah.. .

can anybody provide a non-gimmick answer?.

jay88

DH-Paul's focus was not that of the gospel writers, such as Luke who wanted to make an orderly historical account of the life of Jesus, including stories of his birth and childhood or Matthew that wanted to present Jesus' parables and show how in his life he fulfilled Old Testament prophecies. In one of his letters to the Corinthians Paul specifically writes that in his ministry he decided to know nothing but Christ cruficied. His focus was the death and resurection of Jesus, something he claims to have personally witnessed. He is preaching about what he knew personally not so much about what he heard from others. I think this shows through in his letters and to be honest it isn't entirely out of harmony with what is presented in Acts, Peter, and the elder John. The importance of the death and resurrection of Jesus carries through there as well.

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WTBTS makes the same claim as Paul,..... Paul has a personal revelation it's okay,.......the crown jewels in BK have a revelation it's an outrage.

Paul's new light on the Gospel is permitted

GB's new light on the Gospel is made fun of.

Are some Christians protecting Paul because they are trying to protect their own inner-revelation from Jesus,

and at the same time deny another of the same oppurtunity? Yes WTBTS is guilty of it, but that is their Gospel according to their revelation.

A question we hear often 'Can an Atheist truly be moral?'-----I ask,'Can any entity/person who claims divine inspiration be trusted?'

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What Jesus Said About the Flood

by Franklin Massey in

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i was reading this debate this morning (decent arguments on both sides and an overall respectful demeanor):.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/205158/1/look-it-wasnt-a-global-flood.

much of the discussion revolved around other mentions of the flood in the bible.

jay88

Is there a way to come to the same conclusion, without touching or considering an ancient text?

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Paul, leading authority on Christianity, does NOT quote Jesus!

by Terry in

paul's letters practically invent christianity.. the gospels trickled in after him.. paul never walked with jesus and yet explains him.. never a quote from the master at all.. yet, paul is such a maven.. if jesus couldn't be bothered to actually reveal what he was all about to his apostles with whom he ate, drank, spoke and slept---why this persecutor, saul?.

the apostles heard every word jesus spoke and were willing to die for him.. paul didn't--yet--miraculously explained every detail of the entire history of god's purpose including his messiah.. .

can anybody provide a non-gimmick answer?.

jay88

tec - you say you don't see that scripture as proof. I say that it is plenty, if you include Paul's other sayings within his letters.

I also see no reason why Paul could not have had deep insight into Christ. He did receive a direct revelation; Christ spoke to Him directly. The Holy Spirit is supposed to lead people into all truth, so you do not have to have walked with Jesus in the flesh to know Him

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Interesting. But did Paul preach the same Gospel or did he alter it?....Alterations from Christ's Gospel brings in falsity. Whether or not you are aware of it doesn't mean that I have to show you. If you look at most of the comment made on this post it will point you in the right direction.

But I know your discussion with me is not about Paul,.........

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Can a Bible Thumper do anything without support from Scripture?

by jay88 in

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i think i'll have biscuits this morning..........matthew 4:4. you take your shoes off from a long day at work luke 3:16. can you do anything without the bible's stamp of approval?_________________ feel free to leave an answer with scriptural support..

jay88

I think I'll have biscuits this Morning..........Matthew 4:4

You take your shoes off from a long day at work Luke 3:16

Can you do anything without the bible's stamp of approval?_________________ feel free to leave an answer with scriptural support.

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Paul, leading authority on Christianity, does NOT quote Jesus!

by Terry in

paul's letters practically invent christianity.. the gospels trickled in after him.. paul never walked with jesus and yet explains him.. never a quote from the master at all.. yet, paul is such a maven.. if jesus couldn't be bothered to actually reveal what he was all about to his apostles with whom he ate, drank, spoke and slept---why this persecutor, saul?.

the apostles heard every word jesus spoke and were willing to die for him.. paul didn't--yet--miraculously explained every detail of the entire history of god's purpose including his messiah.. .

can anybody provide a non-gimmick answer?.

jay88

Designs---Yes,.... it pays to protect what you have a vested interest in.

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Paul, leading authority on Christianity, does NOT quote Jesus!

by Terry in

paul's letters practically invent christianity.. the gospels trickled in after him.. paul never walked with jesus and yet explains him.. never a quote from the master at all.. yet, paul is such a maven.. if jesus couldn't be bothered to actually reveal what he was all about to his apostles with whom he ate, drank, spoke and slept---why this persecutor, saul?.

the apostles heard every word jesus spoke and were willing to die for him.. paul didn't--yet--miraculously explained every detail of the entire history of god's purpose including his messiah.. .

can anybody provide a non-gimmick answer?.

jay88

Actually the account does state that he felt as if he was better.

Paul is such a mixed bag. He will boast and tell you how great he is and with the same tone belittle himself. False humility. He also states that if you don't recognize his gospel given to him, that is it like turn you back on Christ.

great.

Jay

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Paul, leading authority on Christianity, does NOT quote Jesus!

by Terry in

paul's letters practically invent christianity.. the gospels trickled in after him.. paul never walked with jesus and yet explains him.. never a quote from the master at all.. yet, paul is such a maven.. if jesus couldn't be bothered to actually reveal what he was all about to his apostles with whom he ate, drank, spoke and slept---why this persecutor, saul?.

the apostles heard every word jesus spoke and were willing to die for him.. paul didn't--yet--miraculously explained every detail of the entire history of god's purpose including his messiah.. .

can anybody provide a non-gimmick answer?.

jay88

Gal 1:11-17

Paul Called by God

11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. 14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.