Saint Satan:
I need to make a correction. The Philip I described in a former post is not an apostle but a deacon (Acts 6:1-5 and Acts 8:1). I discovered my error as I was doing more research.
Kenneson
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Why Didn't They Know?
by JosephAlward inthe following is excerpted from an article by frank r. zindler, "did jesus exist?
" at http://www.atheists.org/church/didjesusexist.html.
emphasis is added.. john e. remsburg, in his classic book the christ: a critical review and analysis of the evidence of his existence (the truth seeker company, ny, no date, pp.
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Annointed before 1840??? &Before JW`s???
by Beans innow as we know there are annointed ones,but what about those who didn`t have the chance to become annointed as the bible students were not around until a certain time?
so you can only be of the annointed after the jw`s were conceived?.
as we know jw`s are the only ones who will be saved in the magic kingdom but what about those who didn`t have the chance to be jw`s because they died before the inception of the religion?.
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Blondie:
Of course the Watchtower Society has a problem in "identifying the adherents of light following the death of the apostles and early disciples of Christ down to our modern time" (W.T. Sept. 15, 1974, page 561. How they came to believe as the modern Jws do since they read the Bible on their own without W.T. explanations we are also not told. And if people could come to the light without the W.T., why can they not do so today?
Moreover, if Russell or Rutherford were living today they would be disfellowshipped for some of their beliefs. The modern W.T. Society doesn't agree with their former teachers. But, then "the light keeps getting brighter and brighter." Who then can be walking in darkness? -
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OK to study the Bible alone?
by Disposable Hero in[i] "from time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of jehovah's.
people those, who, like the original satan, have adopted an independent,.
faultfinding attitude...they say that it is sufficient to read the bible.
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Before Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440 A.D. there were hand written copies of the Bible mainly owned by churches and monasteries. Not everyone even owned a copy. Only the educated could read. Most people had to be content with the readings of the Scriptures they heard in church. With the printing presses the Bible became more accessible to everyone. Then it came into the hands of the commoner. Along with that came religious books, commentaries, tracts, etc. purporting to explain it. People got along fine until the Watchtower Society came along in 1878 and said no one else's explanation was good enough. It alone had all the truth and answers.
So don't read the Bible by itself and don't read other churches' explanations either. I say baloney. The Watchtower Society doesn't have a monoply on the Holy Spirit, nor on the truth. As James 1:5 tells us: "Any of you who lacks wisdom must ask God, who gives to all generously and without scolding; it will be given." He said to ask God, not the Watchower Society! -
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I sense a tremor in the Force...
by Nathan Natas ini just made jedi!!.
there goes the neighborhood!.
- nathan natas, uadna.
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Kenneson
Wow! I have a long way to go! But thanks for the list Simon. And congratulations to you too, Dungbeetle.
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I sense a tremor in the Force...
by Nathan Natas ini just made jedi!!.
there goes the neighborhood!.
- nathan natas, uadna.
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Congratulations. But could someone tell me the hierarchy within the membership? I'm just a senior member.
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Care to dance?
by Kenneson inin the old testament dancing was not only a secular function, but a sacred one as well.. it was part of the celebration of the israelites crossing the red sea (ex.
procession in which david brought the ark into jerusalem (2 sa.
dancing was.
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In the Old Testament dancing was not only a secular function, but a sacred one as well.
It was part of the celebration of the Israelites crossing the Red Sea (Ex. 15:20) and the
procession in which David brought the Ark into Jerusalem (2 Sa. 6:5). Dancing was
associated with worship--liturgical dancing (Ps. 149:3; Ps. 150:4; 1 Sa. 10:5) The dance
was a part of the vintage festival (Judges 21:21), and Jeremiah sees maidens, young and
old men dancing in the joy of messianic Israel (Jer. 32:4, 13). Eccl. 3:4 says there is a time
to mourn and a time to dance. See also Ps. 30:11. Many of the Old Testament dances
are performed by groups, sometimes mixed but more frequently women alone, rather than by
individuals. One of the exceptions is King David who danced before the Lord (2 Sam. 6:14, 16, 21).
The dance was accompanied by music and the dancers often carried tambourines.In tkhe New Testament Jesus speaks of children singing and dancing in the streets (Mt. 11:17;
Luke 7:32) and in the parable of the Prodigal Son he speaks of a celebration including music
and dancing (Luke 15:25). And who can imagine the wedding feast at Cana without music and
dancing?Of course, there have been instances where dancing did not glorify God. Recall the celebration involving the
golden calf (Ex. 32:19) and when Salome danced before the guests at the dinner in honor of Herod Antipas'
birthday.In view of the foregoing, especially the favorable citations in the Old Testament, why is there so little
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Is the Faithful Slave a Class?
by stevieb1 ini am shortly to have a discussion with a jw elder regarding the society's interpretation of the "faithful and discreet slave" i have already got some points i would like to share, but here i am asking for your collective assistance in refuting logically and scripturally the watchtower argument regarding the "slave class".. one comment that was raised was if we are told to get out of false religion (babylon the great) where are we to go to?.
please post serious and well reasoned replies if possible.
your brother in christ.
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The Watchtower Society is Babylon the Great. Get out of her my people.
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IsThe "Slave Class" Biblical?
by stevieb1 ini'm currently involved in an in-depth study of the wt society's doctrine of the "faithful and discreet slave" of matthew 24:45-47 and hope to present my research to an inquiring jw elder.
i am trying to counter some of the claims made in the following reference:- insight on the scriptures vol 1, pp.
805-806. here is a quote from p.806 which adequately describes the society's understanding of the "slave class" .
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The Watchtower Society is neither faithful nor discreet. It is a false prophet.
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JWS IN FIELD SERICE IN PORTLAND OR. TODAY
by new boy ini'm sure everone is looking forward to the feild ministry today!!!
all the young kids and teenagers just cant't wait to see their school chums in the door to door activity.
my guess it will be very little door to door today, for the brave ones that go out.
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Fredhall:
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Why Didn't They Know?
by JosephAlward inthe following is excerpted from an article by frank r. zindler, "did jesus exist?
" at http://www.atheists.org/church/didjesusexist.html.
emphasis is added.. john e. remsburg, in his classic book the christ: a critical review and analysis of the evidence of his existence (the truth seeker company, ny, no date, pp.
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Saint Satan:
I was only aware of Paul setting Peter straight in Gal. 2.
Where does he correct the other apostles?
If you read the Scriptures, you will find that the mission territory of some of the Apostles: Philip was the first to announce the gospel in Samaria (modern Sebastiyeh). See Acts 8:5-15. He also preached in the cities of the coastal plain in Israel (Acts 8:26-40). In Acts 21:8 he is in Caesarea (modern Kaisariyeh).Peter was a pillar of the church at Jerusalem (Acts 15 and Gal. 2:9. He preached in Samaria (Acts 8:14) in Lydda (modern Ludd)(Acts (;32), in Joppa (modern Jaffa) (Acts 9:42), in Antioch (modern Antakia in Syria) (Gal. 2); in Caesarea (Acts 10:24), possibly in Corinth as there was a party of Cephas there (1Cor. 1:12; 3:22) and in Rome
(1 Peter 5:13 and Acts 12:17).James, son of Zebedee was killed by the sword in Jerusalem by Herod Agrippa (Acts 12:2.
John, son of Zebedee, preached in Samaria (Acts 8:14)
I have to admit that little is said as to the preaching mission field of the others. A few are known only as being on the list of the 12. But we have to remember that certain countries claim as their patron saints some of these apostles. So there certainly can be a basis for believing that they were there. For example, Thomas in India, etc. Just because the Bible doesn't tell us much about where the other apostles preached, doesn't mean they didn't. The writers apparently didn't feel it was that important to include it.
The believers at Jerusalem were called the Way. Those at Antioch Christian. But we are not told that those at Antioch were so named by Paul. They could have been called this by outsiders. For example, Latter Days Saints are called by outsiders Mormons. Whatever the believers of Christ were called, either in Jerusalem or Antioch, doesn't detract from the fact that they were all believers in Christ--even if they had their disagreements.