Hello ThatSucks,
If these forums are just for the scholars and intellectuals,
then there won't be many left here. Don't be intimidated by those
who would try to belittle your intelligence. They're only trying
to make themselves look important at your expense. Don't allow it. Forums are for exhange of ideas. It should not be solely for those who would
try to pontificate to the rest of us and show eveyone else just
how intelligent they are.
Kenneson
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To ALANF, (an apology)
by ThatSucks inalanf, in another thread, you said the following:.
quote:first i will point out that you are continuing to cop out.
have you no shame?
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Kenneson
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Church of Nativity Burns, No Christian Outcry?
by Valis inwell, now that yasser has left, there's fires burning around the church of the nativity.
one question i have is, where is the outcry from all those that believe jesus was born there and it is indeed a holy site?
i would think they would be up in arms...some literally.
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Kenneson
The Jews have had so many of their synagogues destroyed and
burnt during the centuries. I would think they would be
very careful about destroying this church. It seems to me
it could unleash a tide of anti-Semitism worldwide??? -
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Kenneson
Alan F,
So, then, if we only have god, why do people speak of a true god
or a false god at all? Where did that originate? I refer to the
Judaic and Christian proponents who speak of the true God as opposed to false gods. It is only in religious speech that I hear this type
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Kenneson
Alan F,
Upon further reflection, not only have I never heard people speak of a false cow or a false human, I never hear them speak of a true cow or a true human either. They just say he is a human, or that is
a cow. Why use the word true at all in front of the word human or
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Kenneson
Alan F,
I thought the question was is Satan a true god or false god? -
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Kenneson
Or could it be I am a true human because there is no such thing as
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Kenneson
Alan F,
It's interesting how others view the clarity of your conclusions.
I, for one, don't. You maintain that Satan is a true god because he exists and a false god because he is worshipped. By the same token,
the same can be said of the Father. He exists and He is worshipped.
How, then are they different?Now as to your question about whether I am a true human or
false human...Am I a true human because I exist and not a false
human because I am not worshipped?It's all clear as mud.
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Kenneson
Alan F.,
Your questions "Are you a true human or a false human? Why
do you answer so?" don't make sense to me. Since they do to
you, you answer them. Please distinguish between what constitutes a
true human as opposed to a false human.Col. 1:15: "the firstborn of all creation" doesn't mean Jesus
was the first thing created by the Father. It means he was the
heir of all creation. He is before all things. All things were
created by him and for him. Why were they created for him, if he is
not the heir?Rev. 3:14: "the beginning of the creation by God" doesn't mean
that he was the first thing created by God but that Jesus is the
source or origin of creation. As John 1:3 puts it: "All things came to be through him and without him nothing came to be."John 14:9 "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father." From the context
Jesus is not claiming to be the Father, but that he is making the Father known by word and deed. If you can't recognize the Father through Jesus,
how are you going to recognize him? No one can come to the Father
except through Jesus (vs. 6). And John 6:44, 45: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. It is written in the prophets: 'They shall all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me."Proverbs 8:22-31 Wisdom is here personified as in Proverbs 1:20-23, to confirm the words of the preacher of wisdom. Interestingly, in both passages here wisdom is referred to as she. Is it
really referring to Jesus?John 1:1, 2: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God."
This doesn't say anything about the Word having a beginning. Only
that He was already there in the beginning to be the creator of all things. See vs. 3. Gen. 1:1 says "In the beginning God ..."
Certainly no one would suggest the Father had a beginning. If
the Father and the Son are co-creator of all things, than this
includes man and why Gen.1:26 could have the Father address the Word:
"Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness."More thoughts later.
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Kenneson
That should have read John 3:13 and 31, rather than 4:13. Sorry
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God is Jesus
by evangelist ini am looking for more scriptures that can prove to a jehovah witness that god is jesus, and jesus is god.i found only one verse so far in 1jo:5:20: and we know that the son of god is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his son jesus christ.
this is the true god, and eternal life.. if you know more scriptures that say directly that god is jesus please tell me the verses the jhw will see plainly that jesus is no way an angel, and he is jehovah god almighty.. my friend said if i can prove by the bible only that jesus is god he will leave the jhw society, and he will know that they are teaching lies and they would be to him a dogma religious sect.
my friend gave me a booklet called should you believe in the trinity?, and is jesus christ the almighty god.
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Kenneson
And yes, God was manifest in the flesh. John 14:8-11 "Philip said to him, 'Master, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us." Jesus said to him, 'Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who dwells in me is doing his works. Believe me that I am in the Father is in me, or else, believe because of the works themselves." Jesus is the perfect revelation of the Father. He reveals God in the flesh. How can
you know the Father except through Jesus? John 6:46 says: "Not that any man has seen the Father, except he who is from God; this one has seen the Father." And again at John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God.
The only Son, God, who is at the Father's side, has reveled him."Who is Jesus if not God manifested in the flesh?