Xinyu's son came out simply.
"He sent me a text message that said ‘mom I'm gay'," she said.
At first she thought he was suffering from some kind of psychological disease and went about looking for treatment. Then she realized it was not going to work but still hoped that one day things would change. "Even if it's just getting married, having a child and then divorce," she said.
She dared not to tell her husband and had to take it all by herself. "I asked myself ‘why, did I do something wrong and this is God punishing me? '"
Her husband turned hysterical when he came to know that his son was gay. "Let him die!" He yelled and then burst into tears.
Half a year later, Xinyu was still full of tears when speaking of her son's coming out of the closet. But the tears were of understanding and tolerance. Now she's been in contact with a large number of gay people through various means and is beginning to throw her support behind the group.
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Reactions of Chinese Mothers to their Children 'Coming Out' as Gay
by fulltimestudent inimages and text from the 'people's daily,' july 15, 2014. web reference: http://english.people.com.cn/n/2014/0715/c98649-8755344.html.
in china, the problem's of dealing with a child's sexuality are more likely to relate to questions of grandchildren, rather than religious hate.
mom romantic comes from handan, north china's hebei province.. "my son first told me he was gay when he was in high school.
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Reactions of Chinese Mothers to their Children 'Coming Out' as Gay
by fulltimestudent inimages and text from the 'people's daily,' july 15, 2014. web reference: http://english.people.com.cn/n/2014/0715/c98649-8755344.html.
in china, the problem's of dealing with a child's sexuality are more likely to relate to questions of grandchildren, rather than religious hate.
mom romantic comes from handan, north china's hebei province.. "my son first told me he was gay when he was in high school.
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Anran had a smile on her face all the time as she recounted her daughter first telling her she was lesbian.
"I noticed there was something going on when she was in junior high school," Anran said. "She was getting very intimate with girls while she treated boys as her buddies. But I didn't say anything."
It was not until her daughter had a job that Anran knew for sure. "One day by chance she confided to me that she liked girls and not boys, and then it all made sense."
Well educated herself, Anran wasn't surprised that her daughter was lesbian because she knew of the existence of homosexuals and knew that it was a normal social phenomenon.
"What surprised me was that she'd been dating a girl for years and I didn't have the faintest idea about that," Anran said, smiling.
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Reactions of Chinese Mothers to their Children 'Coming Out' as Gay
by fulltimestudent inimages and text from the 'people's daily,' july 15, 2014. web reference: http://english.people.com.cn/n/2014/0715/c98649-8755344.html.
in china, the problem's of dealing with a child's sexuality are more likely to relate to questions of grandchildren, rather than religious hate.
mom romantic comes from handan, north china's hebei province.. "my son first told me he was gay when he was in high school.
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Muyezi's son has always been the pride of the family. Everything went well for him – A grades, med school, and bright future – until right before the final exams of his third year in college.
"I remember clearly that he called me over the phone and said he was under so much pressure that he couldn't properly prepare for the exams and that he wanted to quit," said Muyezi. "I asked him why several times and at last he told me the truth," said she.
It took her a while to come to terms with herself, and when she did, she drove to her son's school and accompanied him reviewing for the exams all day and all night.
"He told me a lot during those days, from how awkward it was to live in the same dorm with boys, to the fact that he hadn't made any good friends since he entered college. He said he never liked to be with the crowd because he knew he was different," Muyezi said, unable to hold her tears back.
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Reactions of Chinese Mothers to their Children 'Coming Out' as Gay
by fulltimestudent inimages and text from the 'people's daily,' july 15, 2014. web reference: http://english.people.com.cn/n/2014/0715/c98649-8755344.html.
in china, the problem's of dealing with a child's sexuality are more likely to relate to questions of grandchildren, rather than religious hate.
mom romantic comes from handan, north china's hebei province.. "my son first told me he was gay when he was in high school.
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Ping'an, 30, works in Shenzhen while his parents live in Shenyang, Liaoning province.
Tears kept rolling down her face as his mom recounted the experience when Ping'an first told her he was gay.
"I came to accept it the next day, and it gives me heartache to think that he had to go through everything all by himself," she said.
But she also shared her concerns.
"His father has Okayed this as well, but he wouldn't accept his boyfriend. We worry that when he grows old, nobody's going to take care of him; we worry about his future," she said.
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Reactions of Chinese Mothers to their Children 'Coming Out' as Gay
by fulltimestudent inimages and text from the 'people's daily,' july 15, 2014. web reference: http://english.people.com.cn/n/2014/0715/c98649-8755344.html.
in china, the problem's of dealing with a child's sexuality are more likely to relate to questions of grandchildren, rather than religious hate.
mom romantic comes from handan, north china's hebei province.. "my son first told me he was gay when he was in high school.
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"He's a good boy, quiet, polite, just like a girl", Mrs. Xia from Zhengzhou, Henan province said of her son.
Her son disclosed his sexual orientation when he was a junior college student.
"One day out of the blue he came to me and said he wanted to tell me a secret. He said he had no feeling for girls, and I was like, half-jokingly, ‘You mean you're gay'? And he nodded. And that was it.
I forced myself to appear calm because I was afraid I'd give him pressure. He showed me all the articles and video clips on homosexuality he had saved in his computer, while I was having all these thoughts swirling in my head, ‘what's he going to do', ‘how he's going to be treated by everybody else.'"
She said she couldn't sleep that night with tears running down and her thinking about his son's future.
The next day Mrs. Xia walked with her son to the woods beside their neighborhood and they talked there for the whole afternoon.
"There was no whining or crying, I had to accept it, and there was no good giving a hard time to either of us," she said.
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Reactions of Chinese Mothers to their Children 'Coming Out' as Gay
by fulltimestudent inimages and text from the 'people's daily,' july 15, 2014. web reference: http://english.people.com.cn/n/2014/0715/c98649-8755344.html.
in china, the problem's of dealing with a child's sexuality are more likely to relate to questions of grandchildren, rather than religious hate.
mom romantic comes from handan, north china's hebei province.. "my son first told me he was gay when he was in high school.
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Images and text from the 'People's Daily,' July 15, 2014
Web Reference: http://english.people.com.cn/n/2014/0715/c98649-8755344.html
In China, the problem's of dealing with a child's sexuality are more likely to relate to questions of grandchildren, rather than religious hate. Here are eight brief experiences.
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Mom Romantic comes from Handan, north China's Hebei province.
"My son first told me he was gay when he was in high school. I didn't know what to do then. I told him that I would love him no matter he was gay or not but I kept thinking that maybe I had taken medicine I wasn't supposed to take when I was pregnant with him. And I sort of counted on that maybe with the passage of time he would change, physically and psychologically," she said.
However, her son "came out" a second time in college and that was when she knew she had to deal with the fact.
After that, she found herself searching information, seeking experts' opinion and getting in contact with other homosexual people to learn more about the group.
"I was surprised that there are so many of them, and I decided to do something to help them get out of the shadows," she said.
Now she's become a flag bearer in a association advocating equal treatment for gay people.
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A Chinese parody video sending up NK's Kim Jong-eun
by fulltimestudent ini first saw this video mentioned in the korea times.
the text said it origininated in china.
i noted that it was available on youtube, and there i found that the explanatory text was korean.**.
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Hi Lois,
I'm happy the video made you happy.
I sent it to a friend, who confirms the background song is sung in mandarin chinese, but he could not pick up the words.
BTW, the last scene (of KJE, riding off in to the distance on a pig is a send-up of a common meme in Korean mythology, in which the hero rides a white horse.
Also noteworthy is the inclusion of other world political leaders, from Obama to Putin to Abe. None are shown with much respect, all seem to be 'posturing.' The only scene in which KJE does not seem to be caricatred is the fight scene with Japanese PM, Abe. That scene makes me think of a Korean origin for the video, as Koreans hate the Japanese more than the Chinese may do so.
Nor, have I yet been able to find out whether it is circulating freely on the Chinese internet. It may be and if so may pick up on the increasing frustration that the Chinese Government may feel about NK. President Xi's visit to South Korea and the praise heaped on SK in the Chinese press is indicative of that frustration also.
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All morals are dead. Pedophilia soon to follow.
by defender of truth in13 jul 2014. trottigy, on 12 jul 2014 - 9:25 pm, said:.
"yes, sadly it is only a matter of time before pedophilia and incest becomes an "alternative lifestyle".
it was true in parts of canaan and rome.
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The inability of some people to read properly amazes me.
It's certainly true that the Judge's remarks have cause some controversy. But look carefully at what he's saying and you'll soon see that he was not advocating a sexual 'free-for-all.'
here's the background set-out in the reference in post 2 of the thread.
Judge Neilson made the comments during the trial of a brother charged with raping his younger sister. The man has pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting his sister when she was 10 or 11 years old in 1973 or 1974 but has pleaded not guilty to charges relating to sex they had in 1981, when she was 18 and he was 26.
The man charged had pleaded guilty to the sexual assault of his younger sister when she was aged 10 or 11 (and he must have been around 18), but NOT guilty to charges relating to a later incident when the sister was 18 and her brother 26.
The comments made by the Judge refer to the second charge, and he expressed his thoughts (aloud) as to what was an appropriate judgement. And, when you see it from that angle, you soon see how mindless some comments are.
"By that stage they are both mature adults," the judge said.
So the remarks made by the Judge had nothing to do with under-age sex. And , as the next quote indicates, the girl had had two relationships with other men, then apparently makes a decision to go to bed with her older brother ( of her own free-will), but apparently (later) had some second thoughts.
"The complainant has been sexually awoken, shall we say, by having two relationships with men and she had become 'free' when the second relationship broke down. The only thing that might change that is the fact that they were a brother and sisterbut we've come a long way from the 1950s – when the position of the English Common Law was that sex outside marriage was not lawful."
According to the law (operating in that jurisdiction) should the Judge find the older brother guilty on the second charge? And, if he did enter a verdict of guilt, what penalties would operate?
That's the situation in which the Judge made his remarks, and I suggest the Judge is a good deal more sensible than many of the people who have made all kinds of stupid comments about the remarks.
We could ask how other legal jurisdictions have legislated for such situations? Here's a few:
Argentina:
Incest in Argentina is legal if both individuals are over the minimum age of consent.
Austria.
In Austria, incest between lineal ancestors and descendants and between full siblings is prohibited. It is punishable by up to two years in prison.
France and Belgium.
The 1810 penal code promulgated by Napoleon I and adopted throughout most of Europe abolished incest laws in France and Belgium. On 27 January 2010, France reinstated laws against incest. The new law, however, defines incest as rape or sexual abuse on a minor "by a relative or any other person having lawful or de facto authority over the victim". Incest between consenting adults is not prohibited.
Netherlands.
Consensual incest between adults is legal in the Netherlands.
People's Republic of China and Taiwan.
Consensual incest is legal in the People's Republic of China.
United States.
In the United States the District of Columbia and every state have some form of codified incest prohibition. However, individual statutes vary widely.(Too complex to try and summarise)
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A Chinese parody video sending up NK's Kim Jong-eun
by fulltimestudent ini first saw this video mentioned in the korea times.
the text said it origininated in china.
i noted that it was available on youtube, and there i found that the explanatory text was korean.**.
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I first saw this video mentioned in The Korea Times. The text said it origininated in China. I noted that it was available on Youtube, and there I found that the explanatory text was Korean.**
So I'm not sure where it originated, and its difficult to explore Tudou, the chinese video posting site.
So for what its worth, we'll let the Korea Times statement stand and call it Chinese. I doubt that its in any way 'official.' There are near 700,000,000 netizens in China and lots of them are quite capable of producing and circulating the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgEmezpS_E
** Korea Times article reference: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/world/2014/07/182_160897.html
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God Says Scripture is Enough
by Perry infrom the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .
as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.
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A translation of the Latin text of this document:
Web-reference: http://www.bible-researcher.com/muratorian.html
The following translation usually follows the amended text edited by Hans Lietzmann, Das Muratorische Fragment und die Monarchianischen Prologue zu den Evangelien ( Kleine Texte , i; Bonn, 1902; 2nd ed., Berlin, 1933). Owing to the wretched state of the Latin text, it is sometimes difficult to know what the writer intended; several phrases, therefore, are provided with alternative renderings (enclosed within parentheses). Translational expansions are enclosed within square brackets. The numerals indicate the lines of the original text. For a discussion, see chap. VIII.1 above, where freer renderings are sometimes given in place of the following literalistic translation.
. . . at which nevertheless he was present, and so he placed [them in his narrative]. [1] (2) The third book of the Gospel is that according to Luke. (3) Luke, the well-known physician, after the ascension of Christ, (4-5) when Paul had taken with him as one zealous for the law, [2] (6) composed it in his own name, according to [the general] belief. [3] Yet he himself had not (7) seen the Lord in the flesh; and therefore, as he was able to ascertain events, (8) so indeed he begins to tell the story from the birth of John. (9) The fourth of the Gospels is that of John, [one] of the disciples. (10) To his fellow disciples and bishops, who had been urging him [to write], (11) he said, 'Fast with me from today to three days, and what (12) will be revealed to each one (13) let us tell it to one another.' In the same night it was revealed (14) to Andrew, [one] of the apostles, (15-16) that John should write down all things in his own name while all of them should review it. And so, though various (17) elements [3a] may be taught in the individual books of the Gospels, (18) nevertheless this makes no difference to the faith (19) of believers, since by the one sovereign [3b] Spirit all things (20) have been declared in all [the Gospels]: concerning the (21) nativity, concerning the passion, concerning the resurrection, (22) concerning life with his disciples, (23) and concerning his twofold coming; (24) the first in lowliness when he was despised, which has taken place, (25) the second glorious in royal power, (26) which is still in the future. What (27) marvel is it then, if John so consistently (28) mentions these particular points also in his Epistles, (29) saying about himself, 'What we have seen with our eyes (30) and heard with our ears and our hands (31) have handled, these things we have written to you? [4] (32) For in this way he professes [himself] to be not only an eye-witness and hearer, (33) but also a writer of all the marvelous deeds of the Lord, in their order. (34) Moreover, the acts of all the apostles (35) were written in one book. For 'most excellent Theophilus' [5] Luke compiled (36) the individual events that took place in his presence — (37) as he plainly shows by omitting the martyrdom of Peter (38) as well as the departure of Paul from the city [of Rome] [5a] (39) when he journeyed to Spain. As for the Epistles of (40-1) Paul, they themselves make clear to those desiring to understand, which ones [they are], from what place, or for what reason they were sent. (42) First of all, to the Corinthians, prohibiting their heretical schisms; (43) next, [6] to the Galatians, against circumcision; (44-6) then to the Romans he wrote at length, explaining the order (or, plan) of the Scriptures, and also that Christ is their principle (or, main theme). [6a] It is necessary (47) for us to discuss these one by one, since the blessed (48) apostle Paul himself, following the example of his predecessor (49-50) John, writes by name to only seven churches in the following sequence: To the Corinthians (51) first, to the Ephesians second, to the Philippians third, (52) to the Colossians fourth, to the Galatians fifth, (53) to the Thessalonians sixth, to the Romans (54-5) seventh. It is true that he writes once more to the Corinthians and to the Thessalonians for the sake of admonition, (56-7) yet it is clearly recognizable that there is one Church spread throughout the whole extent of the earth. For John also in the (58) Apocalypse, though he writes to seven churches, (59-60) nevertheless speaks to all. [Paul also wrote] out of affection and love one to Philemon, one to Titus, and two to Timothy; and these are held sacred (62-3) in the esteem of the Church catholic for the regulation of ecclesiastical discipline. There is current also [an epistle] to (64) the Laodiceans, [6b] [and] another to the Alexandrians, [6c] [both] forged in Paul's (65) name to [further] the heresy of Marcion, and several others (66) which cannot be received into the catholic Church (67)— for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. (68) Moreover, the epistle of Jude and two of the above-mentioned (or, bearing the name of) John are counted (or, used) in the catholic [Church]; [7] and [the book of] Wisdom, (70) written by the friends [7a] of Solomon in his honour. (71) We receive only the apocalypses of John and Peter, (72) [7b] though some of us are not willing that the latter be read in church. (73) But Hermas wrote the Shepherd (74) very recently, [7c] in our times, in the city of Rome, (75) while bishop Pius, his brother, was occupying the [episcopal] chair (76) of the church of the city of Rome. [7d] (77) And therefore it ought indeed to be read; but (78) it cannot be read publicly to the people in church either among (79) the Prophets, whose number is complete, [8] or among (80) the Apostles, for it is after [their] time. (81) But we accept nothing whatever of Arsinous or Valentinus or Miltiades, (82) who also composed (83) a new book of psalms for Marcion, (84-5) together with Basilides, the Asian founder of the Cataphrygians [8a] . . .
Footnotes:
1 The meaning may be that Mark arranged the material of his Gospel in the order indicated by Peter, who was participant in the events narrated.
2 The reading of the Fragment, quasi ut uris studiosum, 'as so to speak, one zealous for (or, learned in) the law,' has been variously interpreted and/or emended. For example, Routh took iuris as translating του δικαιου , i.e. Luke was studious of righteousness; Buchanan replaced ut iuris with adiutorem, 'assistant'; Bartlet supposed that the translator read νοσου as νομου (Luke was 'a student of disease'); Zahn replaced ut iuris with itineris, thereby referring to Luke's readiness to accompany Paul on his journeys; Lietzmann conjecturedlitteris, i.e. Luke was well versed as an author. Harnack (Sitzungsberichte der königlich Preussischen Akademie der Wissenschaften [1903], p. 213) and Ehrhardt (op. cit.), who retainiuris studiosus of the Fragment, have pointed out that in technical language of Roman law this could refer to an assesor or legal expert who served on the staff of a Roman official. Although this title was current prior to the time of Justinian's Digest (published in 533) and so was available to the translator of the Fragment, it is anybody's guess what Greek phrase it represented—assuming, of course, that the Canon was drawn up originally in Greek (unfortunately no help is provided in David Magie, De Romanorum iuris publici sacrisque vocabulis sollemnibus in Graecum sermonem conversis [Leipzig, 1905]).
It is significant that the Latin text of the Fragment appears to have been a source for Chromace of Aquileia, who in his commentary on Matthew (written between 398 and 407) refers to Luke as follows: Dominum in carne non vidit, sed quia eruditissimus legis erat quippe qui comes Pauli apostoli ... (See Joseph Lemarie, 'Saint Chromace d'Aquilee temoin du Canon de Muratori,' Revue des etudes augustiniennes, xxiv [1978], pp. 101-2).3 Here ex opinione is taken as the equivalent of εξ ακοης . Others conjecture ex ordine, representing καθεξης ('orderly sequence.' Luke i.3).
3a Latin, principia. —M.D.M.
3b Latin, principali. —M.D.M.
4 I John i.1-3.
5 Luke i.3.
5a That is, the city of Rome. This lack of specificity is one indication that the author was a Roman. —M.D.M.
6 The letter 'b' in the Latin text before 'Galatians' may belong to 'Corinthians' ( προς Κορινθιους Β' ).
6a Latin, principium. —M.D.M.
6b Tregelles writes, “It appears impossible to suppose that the cento of phrases from St. Paul’s genuine Epistles, often found in Latin MSS. under the name of Epistola ad Laodicenses, is here intended. … the writer seems to have intended the Epistle to the Ephesians, which Marcion altered, and to which he gave this name, either as part of his changes, or it may be from having obtained his copy of it from Laodicea.” (p. 47) —M.D.M.
6c Nothing is known of the Epistle to the Alexandrians mentioned here. —M.D.M.
7 It may be, as Zahn (Geschichte, ii, 66) and others have supposed, that a negative has fallen out of the text here.
7a Tregelles suggests that the Latin translator of this document mistook the Greek Philonos "Philo" for philon "friends." Many in ancient times thought that the so-called "Wisdom of Solomon" was really written by Philo of Alexandria. —M.D.M.
7b The Apocalypse of Peter describes with some imaginative detail the torments of hell and the blessings of heaven. It was read with respect and used for admonition throughout the churches in early times. —M.D.M.
7c The Shepherd of Hermas is another work widely read in early times. It is a kind of moral allegory, like Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress, but more impressive in that it purports to convey a series of divine revelations. —M.D.M.
7d This would be Pius I, bishop of Rome from about 142 to 157. —M.D.M.
8 Perhaps the Fragmentist means that there are three major Prophets and twelve minor Prophets.
8a The few words that follow this are unintelligible, and so the fragment practically ends here. —M.D.M.