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  China from the Inside; The Grasslands of Ruoergai

  by fulltimestudent in

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  sichuan province in the soutwest of china is closer to india than it is to beijing.

  it borders burma and bangladash and shares borderzones with xizang (tibet).. the architect of modern china, deng xiaoping, came from a middle class sichuan family, who sent him to france, sponsored by a group called the diligent work-frugal study movement, a work and study program, which sponsored some 4000 young chinese by 1927. young deng was only 15. why did he do this.

  deng says, in"to learn knowledge and truth from the west in order to save china.

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  Some locals in the small town:

  

  

  There's a lot more, too many to post, so if anyone likes Singaporean Tan Wee-Cheng's piks, check them out at:

  http://twcnomad.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/ruoergai-grassland-1-gahai-maqu-huahu-1.html
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  China from the Inside; The Grasslands of Ruoergai

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  sichuan province in the soutwest of china is closer to india than it is to beijing.

  it borders burma and bangladash and shares borderzones with xizang (tibet).. the architect of modern china, deng xiaoping, came from a middle class sichuan family, who sent him to france, sponsored by a group called the diligent work-frugal study movement, a work and study program, which sponsored some 4000 young chinese by 1927. young deng was only 15. why did he do this.

  deng says, in"to learn knowledge and truth from the west in order to save china.

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  And this one:

  

  There's a small town down the hill to the left:

  
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  China from the Inside; The Grasslands of Ruoergai

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  sichuan province in the soutwest of china is closer to india than it is to beijing.

  it borders burma and bangladash and shares borderzones with xizang (tibet).. the architect of modern china, deng xiaoping, came from a middle class sichuan family, who sent him to france, sponsored by a group called the diligent work-frugal study movement, a work and study program, which sponsored some 4000 young chinese by 1927. young deng was only 15. why did he do this.

  deng says, in"to learn knowledge and truth from the west in order to save china.

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  Found some more piks of this fascinating area. As I posted previously, its located in the north of Sichuan province, very close to the Tibetan Autonomous Region (T.A.R.), the local people most likely speak Tibetan and will follow Tibetan religious thinking. As we saw in previous piks, people have a level of prosperity. There are plenty of cars (if that's a good thing?).

  Anyway, these other piks belong to a Singaporean Chinese who was touring the area.

  Here's how he tells his story:

  Ruoergai Grassland 1: Gahai, Maqu & Huahu 若尔盖草原 (1)

  In Langmusi, I joined a wonderful group of HK and China travelers who have been travelling in this region in a car. Over the next two days, we travelled in this region of high swampy plateau. Yaks, sheep and nomads everywhere, flanked by gorgeous snowcapped peaks. We made our way to Maqu county (玛曲县) by the banks of the Yellow River. We also visited picturesque highland lakes such as Gahai (尕海) and Huahu (花湖), which were famous for their bird life. We spent the night at a newly opened, luxurious hotel complex built right under a hill at Tangke (唐克), where one enjoys a spectacular panoramic view of the first nine bends of the Yellow River (黄河九曲) from a single spot.

  I liked his first pik:
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  As I move further away from theWT.....

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've, over the years, looked into many religions.

  obviously, from those that have seen me post here, i've become an atheist simply because i couldn't find any reason to believe in god.

  recently, though, over the past few months, a new change has started.

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  Viviane: This move our from being a JW changed me, for the better, I think. My kids father is still a JW, recently they told me that he often blames me for them not accepting the JW religion, believing in evolution and using "independent" thinking. They said they didn't blame me. I told them I WAS responsible for that, as much as I could be, but rather than accept blame, I would list freeing their mind as one of my proudest and best accomplishements.

  Anyting similar happen to anyone else?

  I've got my hand up! Can I comment?

  I've just turned 79, got chucked out just short of 60. I'd been more or less 'god-free' before I became a witness, (took me 3 years of going through all the motions-before I was sure enough to get baptised). I believe I was a sincere Christian/witness, who tried hard to be a 'footstep' follower of Jesus.* I tried pioneering for some 10 years. Wasn't always an elder (not quite a 'company' man) and when I was, and even when I wasn't, I tried hard to care for the 'sheep.'

  It didn't take me long, even after a 40 year hiatus (wandering in the wilderness- haha) to go back to my god-free mind, as I guess some have noticed.

  I also believe that I'm a better person than I was as a JW, I'm more thoughtful, at least.

  And I still try to contribute to the benefit of humanity. I'm secretary of the Owners Corporation for the apartment block where I live. In the Australian system, that's a bloody thankless task, you have to (should), care for the building and its residents, when no-one gives a flying f**k. All unpaid.

  * 1 Peter 2:21 - because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
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  How to Knock Nazi Elders off their high horse

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the borg has many inconsistencies, when the topic is helping humble and honest people achieve their full potential.

  consider a working man who works 40 to 60 hours a week and still manages to show up to all the meetings, participate, do all of his assigned work within the kh, but his ministry has slipped to 8 hours per month.

  this same man is working hard to move up within the ranks only to get shut down without even knowing.. .

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  suavojr: The sad thing is how men like this are the ones who flourish within God’s Organization. If the earthly part of God’s Organization is a reflection of the heavenly Organization, I want no part of it.

  My friend, its always been like that !

  Please meet Origen- he was born about 185CE and died about 254CE, so he was in on the early game

  

  He was an early Christian 'scholar,' and he once wrote concerning bishops (OK Presiding overseers, or whatever the hell they are now called):

  "We terrify people, and make ourselves inaccessible, especially if they are poor. To people who come and ask us to do something for them, we behave as no tyrant, even, would: we more savage to petitioners tht any civil rulers are. You can this happening in many recognised churches, especially in the bigger cities."

  It was taught in the early church, at least by the end of the first century (only about 70 years after Jesus), that "bishops ruled in the place of God" (Ignatius, writing 110 CE). A bishop could deny an ordinary Christian the right to partake of the eucharist, they could ban them from church (i.e. tell the deacons to prevent them from entering the church), and even condemn ordinary Christians to hell in the after-life.

  Go figure it all out.
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  A young girl shouts down a Street preacher

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, ive felt the same as the young lady.. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up.

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  would have had to fight the impulse to slap her little mouth.

  Well, maybe, but how about slapping the mouth of the noisy bastard who wants to stand on the street and scream his ignorant faith?

  The JWs are rightly criticised for their door-knocking and persistence, but the door-to-door work is far less annoying than Christian street screechers who are motivated by precisely the same Biblical texts.
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  A young girl shouts down a Street preacher

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, ive felt the same as the young lady.. http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up.

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  Got to admit that when some of these screechers get wound up, Ive felt the same as the young lady.

  http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/11/06/08/34/girl-tells-street-preacher-to-shut-up
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  China from the Inside; The Grasslands of Ruoergai

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  sichuan province in the soutwest of china is closer to india than it is to beijing.

  it borders burma and bangladash and shares borderzones with xizang (tibet).. the architect of modern china, deng xiaoping, came from a middle class sichuan family, who sent him to france, sponsored by a group called the diligent work-frugal study movement, a work and study program, which sponsored some 4000 young chinese by 1927. young deng was only 15. why did he do this.

  deng says, in"to learn knowledge and truth from the west in order to save china.

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  Cofty: Thank you for sharing some great images.

  AlwaysBusy: Wow... I love the photos...thank you!

  Thanks for your appreciation, I thought the images were interesting also, which is why I posted them.

  Yes, I post a lot of stuff about China, but surely of all events in the world of today the rise of China is the most interesting.

  I was only 16 when I got interested in it. This is how:

  I was not a JW, (yet) but interested in the problem of poverty and wondering why humans had to fight wars all the time? Socialism was a party on the bohemian fringe of Sydney at the time. This event happened about 1950/51. Somehow, I got a leaflet advertising a talk and slides on the newly established People's Republic of China and decided to go. I was (maybe not surprisingly) the only westerner in the room. All the others there were elderly Chinese (maybe 20 of them). The information was presented in Chinese (Cantonese), but I could see the piks, and it all looked positive. But the defining moment was at the end when apparently donations were requested. And, I was amazed!! At the time, I was getting about 6 quid (pounds) a week. I think my Dad earned about 12 quid a week. And here I saw these elderly Chinese, who did not look as it they had two bob (shillings) to their name, putting 20 quid notes into the hat that was passed around. The money was counted in front of everyone and the total announced and the audience made their satisfaction clear.

  So that was my initiation. I started wondering that day, what was going on in China to make these old men so generous.

  Not much later, I was working as a laboratory assistant at a local universityn and became friend with some Chinese guys - if I recall clearly some were from Malaysia and some from China, and they started talking to me about what was happening in China, and were quite excited to find an Aussie who thought something good may have been happening in China.

  They decided to introduce me to another Chinese (from China) who they said was in charge (I remember his name was Shang) but he was not pleased to be introduced to me. These days I think I appreciate why. The Australian PM of the time, one Bob Menzies was elected in 1949 and was always threatening trouble for Australia from "reds under the beds."

  His government legislated to ban the Australian Communist Party, but the legislation was struck down in the High Court in a five to one judgement. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Communist_Party_v_Commonwealth ). An Australian Communist Party still exists, but can garner only a handful of votes these days.

  I'm pretty sure that Shang was a cell leader and fearful of being exposed and unsure of what to do. But in spite of the efforts of some in OZ, we never experienced the shameful purge of left wingers that the USA did.

  Not long after all that I got caught up in Yahweh's chariot and could mentally zoom around the world imagining Jesus ruling and turning the earth into a real worker's paradise.

  Upon my escape from the Jesus Gulag I resumed some of my old interests, including China. So that's why I post some of the things I learn.
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  China from the Inside; The Grasslands of Ruoergai

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  sichuan province in the soutwest of china is closer to india than it is to beijing.

  it borders burma and bangladash and shares borderzones with xizang (tibet).. the architect of modern china, deng xiaoping, came from a middle class sichuan family, who sent him to france, sponsored by a group called the diligent work-frugal study movement, a work and study program, which sponsored some 4000 young chinese by 1927. young deng was only 15. why did he do this.

  deng says, in"to learn knowledge and truth from the west in order to save china.

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  No problems BOTR. I'm quite willing to give straightforward answers to your questions. But it won't be today. I have played enough this morning and must now get down to some serious work.

  Just one request, so that my thread doesn't take a long detour, please start another thread tomorrow, specifically for your questions. (Cross link if you like).

  PS: 1. Your question 5 is worded rather vaguely.Is it directed at me, or Deng, or the thread.

  2. Are you familiar with Howard Zinn as a writer of history?
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  China from the Inside; The Grasslands of Ruoergai

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  sichuan province in the soutwest of china is closer to india than it is to beijing.

  it borders burma and bangladash and shares borderzones with xizang (tibet).. the architect of modern china, deng xiaoping, came from a middle class sichuan family, who sent him to france, sponsored by a group called the diligent work-frugal study movement, a work and study program, which sponsored some 4000 young chinese by 1927. young deng was only 15. why did he do this.

  deng says, in"to learn knowledge and truth from the west in order to save china.

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  And here are some piks of the people still attempting a nomadic life style:

  Instead of horses as transport, some are using more modern transport.

  

  

  

  and some both perhaps.

  

  

  some live well and can afford cars, and some not so well.

  

  The area has a special appeal to Chinese people as it is near to the source of the Yellow River, deeply embedded in Chinese hearts.

  

  It is the land where the Yellow River crosses, where the Chinese Red Army once passed through, on the run from superior Nationalist forces, and where the ancient Tibetan King Gesar fought a battle……

  Ruoergai is where the Yellow River takes its first major bend. It is the world’s largest high-altitude peat marshes and peat bog soil grassland.