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  Poverty in China in 2014.

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  china daily recently published this overview of poverty in china: reference: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/16/content_18755643.htm.

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  Violia: There are many poor people in usa that lack food. During the 80's my hubby was unemployed for 1.5 yrs and the we did go without food and the kids occ would eat at the neighbors and my hubby and I just did not eat. One of my sons said he did remember being hungry. You have no idea how that makes a mother feel. I would starve and let my kids eat first. It was a horrible time and i shudder every time I recall it. I had to go to places to beg for help and they would look at you like refuse. NO help from the loving brothers. I will never forget or forgive any of them.

  That must have been a terrible time for you.

  The longest time I was ever out of work (with a family) was 2.5 months. I was retrenched in November and in OZ, most businesses do not employ new staff until January because of the summer holidays. That was a bad enough experience.

  I learnt a lesson, savings became imperative from then on. And also that having been a pioneer was bloody useless when it cam to looking for a job.
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  Poverty in China in 2014.

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  china daily recently published this overview of poverty in china: reference: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/16/content_18755643.htm.

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  talesin: China wasn't too concerned about their poor when preparing for the Beijing Olympics. Millions of people were thrown out of their homes. Like Western governments, they don't give a **** about the poor. I guess this anti-poverty initiative is good public relations, of course.

  I assume you raise the points because you are wondering, how what you hear/read etc reconciles with what I've posted. So I'm going to attempt to show you Beijing.

  This is Bejing circa 1900. The photographs were taken by western soldiers (British, American,- the American contingent left from Seattle, there are still, or were, photos on the internet- French, German, Italian and Japanese who had invaded China, because of anti-western civil disturbances in which western property had been destroyed. In reprisals, they destroyed some beautiful old buildings and stole many beautiful works of art.

  The roads in Beijing fo the time were dirt, sewerage ran in open canals. Maybe it was similar to 19th C western cities, but that's the starting point

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZBYNGMNvE

  This next video is a series of LIFE piks from 1947

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGhfakG0_CU

  I need to explain, that like some other places in the world, thedre is no private ownership of land. People lease the land and the buildings, unless the buildings have come to the end of their useful life. You've probably heard of the term 'slum clearance' also. Much of the housing in China pre- 1949 was sub-standard. I've walked around tenement housing near the Temple of Heaven (2003), I wanted to take piks, but was too embarrassed because it was so poverty stricken. No reticulated water, no sewerage, etc. I didn't go near Beijing around the O/Games. I happen to think the Olympics are bullsh*t, but I'm likely a minority. If people had a residential right, they were provided with modern housing, if they did not they were encouraged to go back to their villages.

  Some parts of old housing could be restored and turned over to small business, you can find such streets in most modernised Chinese cities. Here's one in Beijing, taken by some tourist.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd08JxYgTRU

  And another tourist video of modern Beijing in general:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH3PvfI7ELQ

  I guess this anti-poverty initiative is good public relations, of course.

  Which I guess, is a roundabout way of asking whether the figures are accurate or not? If we imagine that in 1949 China was destitute, then to bring prosperity to a nation would be a big ask.

  As I see it (my perspective) is that the success of the communists + the other Chinese parties that joined them, in the civil war (1945-49) was based on widespread popular support. (Ask me to prove that on another thread and I'll tell you why I say that, but wait until January, please - got another exam at the end of Nov, and then want to catch up with rellies that I havn't see for a while).

  They then had to deliver - to modernise China, and bring prosperity. At first, private enterprise was encouraged, and maybe things were not moving fast enough and the doctrinaire central planners in the CPC wanted to try their way. They won the chance and failed. The party reacted by removing Mao from the top job. He reacted by using his prestige to bring another revolution, (the so-called Cultural Revolution) and letting immature young people (Red Guards) attempt to enforce a return to Central Planning, etc. This was a terrible time in China, everything stopped (including education). Everyone seemed to hold their breathe, wondering what could happen next. But when Mao died the CPC reacted swiftly to try to stabilise the sutuation, and re-asserted its authority. The rest you likely know. That's very simplistic, but I could go into a booklength explanantion (supposed to be funny)

  Under Mao's idea, there was what was called the iron ricebowl. You would be told what education you should have and what job you could have. Your workplace would give you a place to live at low rent, and look after your health needs etc. For some, at least, it did work and some have good memories of the time. Other's do not. Personally, I do not think that sort of economic system can work for all.

  When Deng started the program of change to the present system, (announcing, that to get rich was glorious) he made a point of saying that not everyone could get rich (likely he meant prosperous) at the same time. So in the roughly 30 years since then maybe 50% have a moderately prosperous life. Clearly there are some that will never be able to cope for one reason or another.
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  China from the Inside; The Grasslands of Ruoergai

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  sichuan province in the soutwest of china is closer to india than it is to beijing.

  it borders burma and bangladash and shares borderzones with xizang (tibet).. the architect of modern china, deng xiaoping, came from a middle class sichuan family, who sent him to france, sponsored by a group called the diligent work-frugal study movement, a work and study program, which sponsored some 4000 young chinese by 1927. young deng was only 15. why did he do this.

  deng says, in"to learn knowledge and truth from the west in order to save china.

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  LisaRose: Nice pictures, thanks for sharing. The topography reminds me of some parts of Nevada, serene and beautiful, but also a climate that can be harsh.

  It is great scenery, typical of the steppes that extend across central Asia, from near Korea to at least Iran. And much more important in human history than is given credit.

  The steppe people, known as the Xiongnu, in the last centuries BCE, had an empire that challenged the first Chinese empire (the Qin). War between them was continuous. And, there were defections over the border both ways, as people were attracted to the other side. In later periods of time, they often ruled what is now north China. (The Manchus, who established the last Qing dynasty came from the same ethnic group)

  In Roman times, the same people, known to Europe as the Huns, caused the downfall of the Western Roman Empire, swept into both France and Germany and became an important factor in the eventual rise of both political entities.

  In the early thirteenth C, Chiingis Khan (Ghengis, in some spellings) united Mongolian and Turkic tribes and established the biggest land empire the world had known. They ruled the world from Korea and China to eastern Europe, and became an important factor in the development of Russia. The Mongolian horde at the gates of Vienna, scared Christian Europe sh*tless.

  The scenery in Mongolia is similar to that above:

  

  The Mongolians by the way have a similar form of Buddhism to the Tibetans.

  Not sure of where the above pik was taken, but if anyone would like to travel there (It's safe) on their bike (motor) this guy organises tours across Europe to Mongolia: http://nicksanders.com/cms/adventures/mongolia/

  I'm confident it will be more fun than a modern JW convention would be. :(
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  The Problems People have in finding Love....

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  ... are even more complex for those who are same sex attracted:.

  from the philippines, a short film:.

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  A straight boy may have a few fumbles with a girl. Unlikely a gay boy would have done that.

  Sometimes, in my haste, I write something stupid. Those two sentences prove it. Of course, a young gay man could have a fumble with a girl (some of them even marry girls), but not as a result of their own natural attraction.

  What I wanted to say, was that there is a certain social expectation that a young man (understood as heterosexual) will have some sexual experimentation with a willing girl, but I wanted to juxtapose that with the situation of young homosexual man. There would be no societal toleration of his sexual experimentation with another boy.

  That (in the past at any rate) likely made it difficult to gain some experience in who appealed to them and who did not.
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

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  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  Jesus predicted his own return within a generation. His prophesy failed.

  Doesn't that prove that Jesus was a false prophet?

  The early Christians expected the imminent return of Jesus.

  He did not return, doesn't that prove that the early Christians were false prophets also.

  The Jws have predicted the return of Jesus, having failed in their prophesy, they try to extend the thought of the generation teaching of Jesus by the illogical idea that multiple generations are still one generation.

  Stupid! and proof that they realise that their own prophesies have failed.
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  The Problems People have in finding Love....

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  ... are even more complex for those who are same sex attracted:.

  from the philippines, a short film:.

  nessun dorma - .

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  OK, I understand and that's cool. We fight the same fight.

  I was going to use your comment to make a point.

  I think it can be argued that previous lack of social acceptance and the harassing of gay people by police made it difficult for them to build social communities, in which you could find long-term partners. As I understand the social data, fifty years ago, very few gay males lived together in long term relationships because it was difficult to stay under the social and legal radar.

  Also, the social mores were against them. An opposite sex attracted boy could (at that time) talk openly at school (even family), a gay boy would not have been able to do that.

  A straight boy may have a few fumbles with a girl. Unlikely a gay boy would have done that.

  For the gay boy, it was more likely that his first sexual experience would have been a furtive one at some gay beat, always in fear of the police. After a few years of that experience the hunt for sexual partners would have been ingrained.

  To sum it. The straight kid grows up in a society that expects that he will one day find sex, and hopefully love. The gay kid doesnt. Little wonder they now want their relationships valued.
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  Poverty in China in 2014.

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  china daily recently published this overview of poverty in china: reference: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/16/content_18755643.htm.

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  I cant compare to any groups in Australia, as government welfare is widespread. What about the USA? Are there still roughly 50,000,000 people who recieve some form of government assistance?
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  Poverty in China in 2014.

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  china daily recently published this overview of poverty in china: reference: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/16/content_18755643.htm.

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  On an internet site, Liu Yang, an internet user says:

  I bought two steamed buns,two small apples, a bag ofinstant noodles and somepickle in a nearby supermarket.I feel shocked and sad that somany people are living this nightmare everyday.

  

  And 'Little O"commented:

  From migrant workers to white-collar employees, baked sesame seed cake is a popularstaple diet for many in Beijing.But with a budget of just 6.3yuan, it is impossible to live onit as its price went up from 0.60yuan in 2009 to 1 yuan in2014.

  Of course, these people (who commented) live in big cities, prices in small villages are likely lower.
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  Poverty in China in 2014.

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  china daily recently published this overview of poverty in china: reference: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/16/content_18755643.htm.

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  What would it be like to be in the poorest segment?

  

  6.3 Yuan is maybe A$1.20, even with the poverty stricken life I led as a special pioneer, I don't think I've scratched that hard. Though there were days when I literally had no money left to buy food. (OF course, in the big-hearted view of the WTS, when you had no money you were supposed to go out an place some magazines ( a policy that started with colporteurs at the end of the nineteenth century), that's why they gave them to pioneers at such a big discount (No freeloaders in Yahweh's organisation, thank U!!).

  Anyway here's how a student (who may also have some experience in living cheap) in China said he'd live on that:

  At a 'dumpling party*,' I went to on Saturday night, I asked a middle-aged guy who'd grown up as an orphan in British controlled Singapore, if that was below his memory of a poverty line.

  He reckoned that the student was eating better than he ate then (early 60s) under British rule. Trying to relate to it, he said he may have a steamed bread roll for breakfast (nothing else), no lunch and some boiled rice and some vegetables at night. Once in a while, they had a little meat or fish.

  * A Chinese get together, where everyone works togetheer to make dumplings and then eats them
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  Poverty in China in 2014.

  by fulltimestudent in

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  china daily recently published this overview of poverty in china: reference: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/16/content_18755643.htm.

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  China Daily recently published this overview of poverty in China: Reference: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/16/content_18755643.htm

  under the general heading of, BEHIND THE GLAMOUR.