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  An anthem song for women who are XJW's and who lost someone ...

  by fulltimestudent in

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  be strong:.

  (hope this works ok).

  https://www.facebook.com/zinicnyoperator/videos/1646956495559108/?pnref=story.

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  Be strong:

  (Hope this works OK)

  https://www.facebook.com/ZinicnyOperator/videos/1646956495559108/?pnref=story
  
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  What is happening in India?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i read a thread recently that spoke of the wt ceasing to print watchtower and awake mags in india.

  does anyone know if there is any substance/documentation to that claim?

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  I should have stated at the outset, that because of the way that Christians acted in the 19th century, that there is a deep suspicion of Christianity in China. Most churches are controlled by a 'local' organisation which will have a government representative is some form.

  Cant see the WTS/GB agreeing to that anytime soon. Further, the JW attitude to military service would be a major problem in China, as it is in Singapore, where the witnesses are also banned.
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  What is happening in India?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  i read a thread recently that spoke of the wt ceasing to print watchtower and awake mags in india.

  does anyone know if there is any substance/documentation to that claim?

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  jookbeard: seems to be a big let down this great prospect of the WT reaching India and China, ... ( and with) well over a billion people and just 30k jw's China is has a bigger population and far fewer jw's.

  Christians of many brands have tried to 'convert' China - so far they have all failed.

  First chance: Second or third century It is unprovable without further evidence but possible, based on the silk road trade network traffic, it is easy to imagine some Jesus obsessed Christian travelling to China to "save" the bloody heathens. If it was not a conventional form of Christianity, then almost certainly a Manichean Christian would have reached China. The Manicheans were fairly strong in Central Asia, so some missionary may have preached in China in the third or fourth century. Just fyi the last known Manichean temple in the whole bloody world is in the Quanzhou city (southern China) suburb of Jinjiang. (pictured below). In China the Manicheans were known as 明教 Míngjiào, "bright religion."

  

  
  

  In any event Buddhism had started filtering into China before Jesus even started kicking in his mother's womb, and it became the religion of choice in China.

  More information at: http://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1529&context=utk_chanhonoproj

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  https://books.google.com.au/books?id=krSAAgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
  

  
  

  2. The second and third chance: During the Tang Dynasty (618-907 CE) By this time Buddhism was well established, but the Syrian based Church of the East (aka, the Nestorians) were given some freedom to preach in China. The first known record of their activity notes that in 635 CE, during the reign of the Emperor Taizong, a Syriac monk known (in Chinese) as Alopen arrived in the capital Changan with a delegation. They were given official permission to preach and the assistance of the Imperial Library to translate their religious texts.

  In the early 8th century the head of the Syrian Church Patriarch SlibaZkha established China as a metropolitan province of the church (known as Beth Sinaye). This attempt to Christianise China probably failed during the collapse of the Tang dynasty. But a strong record of their history was left behind on a Stele set up in 781.

  An image of it is below.

  

  
  

  The failure of this church was mentioned by an Arab Writer of whom the Wikipedia entry says: " The province of Beth Sinaye is last mentioned in 987 by the Arab writer Abu'l Faraj, who met a Nestorian monk who had recently returned from China, who informed him that 'Christianity was just extinct in China; the native Christians had perished in one way or another; the church which they had used had been destroyed; and there was only one Christian left in the land'

  
  

  The Nestorians gained another chance during the era of Mongolian domination of China known as the Yuan dynasty. They occupied many official positions and there seems to have been a church administration established to care for local churches but again failed to secure a mass following. Some Catholic Christians travelled to China on commercial or religious business, and mention the church. For example, Williiam of Rubruck tells of meeting a Nestorian bishop in 1253, in a town named "Segin" (probably modern Datong in Shanxi Province). And in Quanzhou (Fujian Province) the tomb of a Nestorian bishop named Shlemun, who died in 1313 has been found. Interestingly his epitaph described him as an administrator of the Christians and Manicheans in south China.

  

  A wall painting, in a building thought to have once been a Nestorian church and believed to represent a Nestorian priests in a Palm Sunday procession (though some scholars may dispute that)

  
  

  More information at: This Cardiff University Site: http://www.caerdydd.ac.uk/clarc/projects/chinesenestorian/index.html
  

  
  

  and this Macquarie university site:

  http://www.mq.edu.au/research/research-centres,-groups-and-facilities/resilient-societies/centres/ancient-cultures-research-centre/research/research-projects/manichaean-and-nestorian-christian-remains-in-zayton

  
  

  Neither YHWH or JESUS were able to save these Christians in the next dynastical collapse as peasant revolts rose up against the ruling Mongols who were driven out of China. Mongols in central Asia began converting to Islam and the Muslim Mongol leader Timur (1336–1405) nearly eradicated the remaining Christians in Persia. As a result Nestorian Christianity remained largely confined to Upper Mesopotamia and to the Malabar Coast of India.

  Then in the 16th century, the Church of the East underwent a schism from which three distinct churches eventually emerged: the modern Assyrian Church of the East, which has been largely dispersed as Christians in that area migrated to from west Asia. There's also the Ancient Church of the East (which split from the former over reforms such as the use of the Gregorian Calender), and the Chaldean Catholic Church, an Eastern Catholic Church in communion with the Holy See. (Also from Wikipedia

  
  

  That's enough for now - I'll cover the next two chances later. but in spite of the claims of Christians, its doubtful that they will be more successful today.
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  What is happening in India?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  i read a thread recently that spoke of the wt ceasing to print watchtower and awake mags in india.

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  RubaDub: I would take my own toilet paper if I went to India. And poop is probably yellow with all the curry spice you eat there.

  Grin, you'd better hire a portaloo and take that too, as 70 % of Indians shit in the open. That's partly because of a Hindu concepts of shit, but mostly because there are no toilets.
  
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  The Military Failure of the United States of America. Why?

  by fulltimestudent in

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  the usa is undoubtedly the strongest military power in the world, and has often been willing to use that power against other nations, some historians count 187 foreign wars in 200 years, and this youtube video lists the wars the us has fought in the twentieth century, most of which, (in the earliest part of the 20th c) it can be argued, were won by the usa.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q51nfakme-g. this is not an argument about the rightness or wrongness of any war.

  the argument is why the mightiest ever military power, a political power that controls overwhelming destructive forces, a power that claims to stand on the side of its god, does not win wars?

  have you thought about this question?

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  Simon: To occupy and transform a country and introduce your culture and values you need to be there for a long time so a generation grows up accepting them as the nom. That means doing all the boring stuff - run bureaucracies and infrastructure.

  That's the lesson history teaches us, so I agree with that conclusion. When Alexander the Great conquered the Iranian (Persian) Achaemenid Empire, Hellenism (Greek influence) gradually became the norm, albeit with local characterisitics as in hellenised Bactria (Afghanistan) and hellenised Judaism in Palestine.

  in contrast the Mongolian empire did not endure long enough to have a great and lasting influence, except possibly in some regions now part of modern Russia.
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  Chinese Tiger Park bred 110 tigers in 2015

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  these tigers are known as siberian tigers, and have been considered endangered.. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/10/c_134903867.htm.

  there are 10 good piks on the link..

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  Sometimes its just the preservation of a staging area for a species, as seen with this population of black-necked cranes who migrate in winter.

  http://www.cctv-america.com/2015/12/07/tibet-is-worlds-largest-winter-habitat-for-black-necked-cranes

  and for these swans who in their migration pattern have long used this location at Rongcheng in E.China.

  http://news.xinhuanet.com/.../2015-12/09/c_134899189_3.htm
  
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  Chinese Tiger Park bred 110 tigers in 2015

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
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  these tigers are known as siberian tigers, and have been considered endangered.. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/10/c_134903867.htm.

  there are 10 good piks on the link..

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  Conservation of other species.

  Snow Leopards are another rare (Endangered???) species. A lot is being done to ensure their survival. Again there is a clash between human activity and the foraging activities of the snow leopards. Its claimed that there are about 6000 of the species surviving in the wilder, less densely populated parts of China and in Mongolia.

  Here's a couple of articles on what's happening in the field.

  From the snow leopard trust:

  
  

  http://www.snowleopard.org/snow-leopard-presence-confirmed-in-western-sichuan

  Western sichuan is very mountainous country and borders Tibet. The interests of humans and the leopards do not clash so much in this wild (primitive) part of the world.

  And from the UK Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/wildlife/8207266/The-snow-leopard-ghost-of-the-mountains.html

  The WWF is a legal NGO in China and does some good work;

  http://en.wwfchina.org/en/who_we_are/
  
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  Chinese Tiger Park bred 110 tigers in 2015

  by fulltimestudent in

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  these tigers are known as siberian tigers, and have been considered endangered.. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/10/c_134903867.htm.

  there are 10 good piks on the link..

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  LoveUniHateExams : Thanks for the link, Fulltimestudent.
  There are some great photos! ... I certainly hope that the wild stock is replenished.
  Tigers are such beautiful, majestic creatures. They have the explosive power, speed and strength to kill a human in less than a minute. I suppose large felids killed our ancestors. *shudder*

  (Wry smile) and that's part of the problem I guess. In both India and China, wild tigers can be responsible for human deaths. Cant really blame the tigers (anymore than we can blame sharks for attacking humans) to them we are just another source of protein. Its not so bad across the border in Russia, where there is a much smaller population of humans. But, it has been noted, tigers from the Russian side of the border do cross into the Chinese side.
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  Chinese Tiger Park bred 110 tigers in 2015

  by fulltimestudent in

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  these tigers are known as siberian tigers, and have been considered endangered.. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/10/c_134903867.htm.

  there are 10 good piks on the link..

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  Witness 007 China's river dolphins are extinct. Sad.

  Yes! It is sad to see any species vanish. ( Though a Chinese friend says that it would be good if the human species vanished - but since we now understand a lot more (than YHWH and JESUS) about the role of the top predators in natural ecology, maybe that could cause some problems too.
  

  The wikipedia entry says:

  "In the 1950s, the population was estimated at 6,000 animals,[24] but declined rapidly over the subsequent five decades. Only a few hundred were left by 1970. Then the number dropped down to 400 by the 1980s and then to 13 in 1997 when a full-fledged search was conducted. Now the most endangered cetacean in the world, according to the Guinness Book of World Records, the baiji was last sighted in August 2004, though there was a possible sighting in 2007.[9] It is listed as an endangered species by the U.S. government under the Endangered Species Act. It is now thought to be extinct."

  The wikipedia entry sees the early period of the PRC as the most influential in the loss, but I think that the whole process can be said to start with the destabilisation of the Qing Empire (of which China was then a subject state), from the early part of the nineteenth century.
  
  
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  Chinese Tiger Park bred 110 tigers in 2015

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  these tigers are known as siberian tigers, and have been considered endangered.. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/10/c_134903867.htm.

  there are 10 good piks on the link..

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  These tigers are known as Siberian tigers, and have been considered endangered.

  http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/10/c_134903867.htm

  there are 10 good piks on the link.