karter : F.T.S seems you have done your homework well. The fact that the Chinese are investing in N.Z flat out has an up and a down side.
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The changing world - The Chinese in the west.
by fulltimestudent ini was hosing the garden at the front of our apartments earlier this morning, and this large gang (20-30 people) of elderly chinese went past, picking up rubbish in the street.
it suddenly clicked that this was 'clean-up australia' day.
what interested me was the involvement of this group of elderly chinese, and i assume that this is likely happening across sydney in all the many suburbs that have become 'chinese' in the last 35 years.
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The changing world - The Chinese in the west.
by fulltimestudent ini was hosing the garden at the front of our apartments earlier this morning, and this large gang (20-30 people) of elderly chinese went past, picking up rubbish in the street.
it suddenly clicked that this was 'clean-up australia' day.
what interested me was the involvement of this group of elderly chinese, and i assume that this is likely happening across sydney in all the many suburbs that have become 'chinese' in the last 35 years.
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karter : here in NZ the Chinese will take us over with out letting off a round .
They are buying everything they can,Setting up their own dairy factory's making milk formula to send back home.There are two ways to look at this Karter, one is the way expressed above. The other way is illustrated by the sale of a New Zealand owned Australian Company to a privately owned Australian registered company, owned by a Chinese citizen.
Complicated isn't it?
The company, the Van Dieman Land company owns 25 large dairy farms in Tasmania. The last owner was New Plymouth Municipality in New Zealand (that sounds like socialism, doesn't it? But NZ does have a lot of co-operatives - just like China).
I'm guessing that the sale was prompted by the fact that Van Dieman Land made a loss of $8,000,000 in 2013, so the New Plymouth Municipality must have decided to sell. The largest offer for VDL, came from Moon Lake Investments, owned as described above. The second biggest bidder asked the Aussie government to prevent the sale, the Aust. govt responded that VDL had been started by foreigners ( a group of London merchants) and had always been in foreign hands.
But, would it have been right for the Aust. government to prevent the NZ owners making the extra money that Moon Lake offered, and made them accept less money?
The new owners plan to invest $100 million in new facilities, money that the former NZ owners apparently did not plan to spend. So in different ways Australia will be better off, as suppliers, builders, engineers etc receive orders for their goods and services as that one hundred million is spent.
Another perspective. One of NZ's largest dairy companies - Fonterra, is a part owner of Shijiahuang Sanli, a large Chinese milk product supplier. Presumably that places Fonterra in a position to benefit when their share of Chinese profits are repatriated to NZ. Do you want to say that is a bad thing?
New Zealand has a population of less than 5,000,000. China now has (I calculate) about 600 million people whose lives approximate our western lives. Their diet converges toward ours. Think about that 600 million. It equates to having a market equal to two USAs.
There is not enough dairy farmland in NZ (or, Australia) to provide dairy products for that sized population. And there are more customers coming, as China continues to urbanise, whether in cities or large towns with population of 500,000. The Chinese government is planning to totally eliminate rural poverty by 2025. Not too far in the future, NZ dairy farmers will have access to a market not of 600 million but of 1300 million.
But you will have competitors, one of the largest dairy farms in the world is being built in the steppes area of North China. Chinese businessmen are working in joint ventures with Russian businessmen planning similar projects across Russia ( a move placed on fast forward when Europe decided to ban the exports of dairy products to Russia over the Ukraine problems).
In the meantime, large and small businesses in NZ will benefit from the $210 million that Yashili International Holdings (I presume that's the project) is planning to spend in building the new dairy processing plant mentioned in your above post.
BTW, if my information is correct, a part owner in Yashili International Holdings, is an American owned company, Carlyle Group.
Globalisation is complex, is it not?
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The changing world - The Chinese in the west.
by fulltimestudent ini was hosing the garden at the front of our apartments earlier this morning, and this large gang (20-30 people) of elderly chinese went past, picking up rubbish in the street.
it suddenly clicked that this was 'clean-up australia' day.
what interested me was the involvement of this group of elderly chinese, and i assume that this is likely happening across sydney in all the many suburbs that have become 'chinese' in the last 35 years.
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I was hosing the garden at the front of our apartments earlier this morning, and this large gang (20-30 people) of elderly Chinese went past, picking up rubbish in the street. It suddenly clicked that this was 'clean-up Australia' day.
What interested me was the involvement of this group of elderly Chinese, and I assume that this is likely happening across Sydney in all the many suburbs that have become 'Chinese' in the last 35 years. And, its that 'sinification' that is one of my many interests.
The USA now has (it is said) some three million Chinese from PRC China. This is one of the most intriguing social trends that I have ever seen (or, read of) and its happening when young Chinese who go 'west' for their education are increasingly returning to China (about 80% I believe) , but perhaps leaving an apartment behind as an investment.
It was Jan. 29, 1979 when USA President Jimmy Carter and the Chinese leader (without much in the way of titles) signed an accord. One of the points in the accord was that Chinese would be free to leave China, and its said that when this point was discussed, and Carter stated the point, Deng responded by asking, "Mr President, How many Chinese do you think you want?" If Carter answered it does not seem to have been recorded.
The suburb where I live is not quite fully "Chinese," but far more than in 1999 when I moved here. Now nearly all the shops (but not the large supermarkets) are owned by Chinese. There are times when the only people on the shopping streets are Chinese. There are some 17 shops selling Chinese groceries. and near as many specialising in selling Australian products to Chinese tourists. Interesting isn't it?
I was sent to a specialist dentist last week in Hurstville, a suburb I know well from my childhood. It was very "British" in those days. But now, the dentist was Chinese, the surgery was staffed by Chinese. Nearly every street front shop is Chinese, and most of the people on the street are Chinese.
I count about 10 suburbs in Sydney that are now Chinese, and in all of these construction development companies from China (with local government approval) are building large tower blocks. At a rough count I think about 1000 new apartments will come on the market in 7 to 10 floor projects in my suburb.
In neighbouring Burwood, the apartment blocks are even larger and taller. Cant estimate the number of new apartments there. Sales offices, from desks in shopping centres to very large shop fronts staffed by Chinese, seem to be everywhere. Non-resident Chinese are allowed to buy new apartments (only), and they seem to be sold out in many cases.
Last night, the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parade was held in Sydney (I didn't go - but both the Prime Minister and the federal leader of the opposition did). My gayxjw friend did go to watch (he did not go into the parade - he isn't quite up to baring his torso these days.) He called this morning and told me that there were lots of Asians watching including many older ones who may may have been tourists looking for a bit of local color.
Asians have different cultural sensitivies, once in the mountains to Sydney's west, I watched a group of Chinese ladies looking at some bronze statues of native Australians (no live ones left in that area) The statues (correctly) were naked, and these mature ladies were having great fun photographing each other rubbing the genitals of the statues, they were not the first, because the said genitals shone with the bright finish of polished bronze..
Just some random thoughts.
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Why is the Bible silent about the real Israel/Egyptian connections?
by fulltimestudent inthe bible does connect egypt and israel (including judah), but does not tell the truth about the connection.. an exhibition at the israel museum tells a clearer story.. it tells of two periods of connection;.
the first connection around 1800 to 1550 bce when canaanites settled in the eastern section of the nile river delta.
it seems this is the era that saw the development of stories like the joseph story and the mose's story.
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An ancient burial ground, discovered in 2013, and located near Bethlehem is providing further evidence of the Egyptian connection to Palestine. It seems to have been in use between 2200 BCE and 650 BCE.
Following is a quotation from a recent LiveScience story on this archaeological project:
Another intriguing tomb contained two Egyptian-like amulets, known as scarabs, which were mounted on rings made of bronze or gold. It’s possible that, rather than being imported from Egypt, the scarabs were made locally.
The scarabs date to the 13th dynasty of Egypt (1802 B.C. to 1640 B.C.), Nigro said. One of the scarabs contains a series of circular decorations, while the other has swirling designs and what appears to be hieroglyphic writing. Two of the hieroglyphic symbols are written within an oval circle known as a cartouche. The Egyptians often wrote royal names in cartouches, and archaeologists are studying the scarabs for these types of details.
Egyptian scarabs have been found at many other sites in the eastern Mediterranean. Ancient records say the Egyptians were very active in the region, trading for goods and, at times, conquering territory.http://www.livescience.com/53939-ancient-burial-ground-found-near-bethlehem.html
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Why is the Bible silent about the real Israel/Egyptian connections?
by fulltimestudent inthe bible does connect egypt and israel (including judah), but does not tell the truth about the connection.. an exhibition at the israel museum tells a clearer story.. it tells of two periods of connection;.
the first connection around 1800 to 1550 bce when canaanites settled in the eastern section of the nile river delta.
it seems this is the era that saw the development of stories like the joseph story and the mose's story.
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Thanks for posting your thoughts, Half Banana.
I agree with you, that the subjection of Israel to the surrounding Imperial powers of Egypt, Babylonia, Iran (Persia) Greece, and eventually Rome, was a key point in the development of Judaism.
Succinctly, it was a religion for losers.
Israelites/Jews seldom had independence. Their god YHWH, was seldom able to defeat the Gods of surrounding nations. It climaxed in 70 CE with the destruction of YHWH's holy city of Jerusalem, by the Romans who worshipped other Gods.
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Animals were created without needing Toilet Paper ... but not Man ... Why???
by RubaDub inmy dog and other pets do their "business" and run away and are happy.. man does not have that luxury.
any thoughts on why animals were created with the "poop and go" capacity while man has to go through more steps?
was this perhaps an additional issue that god added on when adam and eve sinned (such as eve having significant more birth pains)?
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Village Idiot : fulltimestudent, I'm sorry but I can only give you one like.
Don't praise me brother, it only encourages me'
But, hey, I can do better (grin)... like this pik showing, "how to do it the Roman way."
And a more 'academic' discussion at this link:
http://flavias.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/ten-things-romans-used-for-toilet-paper.html
But the 'sponge on a stick' could have other uses. Think how desperate a person would have to be to end his life this way.
This historian cites Seneca as a source for the story:
Nay, men of the meanest lot in life have by a mighty impulse escaped to safety, and when they were not allowed to die at their own convenience, or to suit themselves in their choice of the instruments of death, they have snatched up whatever was lying ready to hand, and by sheer strength have turned objects which were by nature harmless into weapons of their own. For example, there was lately in a training-school for wild-beast gladiators a German, who was making ready for the morning exhibition; he withdrew in order to relieve himself, – the only thing which he was allowed to do in secret and without the presence of a guard. While so engaged, he seized the stick of wood, tipped with a sponge, which was devoted to the vilest uses, and stuffed it, just as it was, down his throat; thus he blocked up his windpipe, and choked the breath from his body. That was truly to insult death!
Link: http://www.thehistoryblog.com/
Pottery discs were also used (or, is it a pebble), as in this vase illustration:
Of some interest , is the claim by that same historian that the Chinese (remember they invented paper) were using it to wipe their bottoms as early as the 2nd Century BCE
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Animals were created without needing Toilet Paper ... but not Man ... Why???
by RubaDub inmy dog and other pets do their "business" and run away and are happy.. man does not have that luxury.
any thoughts on why animals were created with the "poop and go" capacity while man has to go through more steps?
was this perhaps an additional issue that god added on when adam and eve sinned (such as eve having significant more birth pains)?
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A moments thought will tell us that for most of the time (99% ?) throughout history humans defecated like animals.
Some still do! This BBC documentary states that 70% of Indians (i.e. from India) still defecate in the open.
The use of sewerage and toilets came late in the historical annals. Here's a pik of a Roman public toilet (very few people had private ones).
They loved to have a chat with their mates while they defecated. And no paper in the west until hundreds of years later, so how did they wipe. Notice the gutter in front, it contained water, and some used brushes, others shells and others pottery shards. These items could be rinsed off after use.
And of course in Europe bidets are popular - no need for paper, and in many places (in China) there's a hose pipe (with tap) and you can hose your bum down. That's quite hygienic. Best to have a slim build though.
My most interesting "defecation" experience, was in an old toilet in an old village in China. It consisted of a trench running around the walls of the building (placed about 400 mm from the external walls). The trench had an slope to an outlet, and running water from the start point to wash the "remains" out. In use everyone straddles the trench and let's rip (and some do let rip with sound affects). If it interests you, you get a fine view of the guy in front of you.
You'll get the idea from this pik.
But you still need paper - in those areas its advisable to carry your own.
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Animals were created without needing Toilet Paper ... but not Man ... Why???
by RubaDub inmy dog and other pets do their "business" and run away and are happy.. man does not have that luxury.
any thoughts on why animals were created with the "poop and go" capacity while man has to go through more steps?
was this perhaps an additional issue that god added on when adam and eve sinned (such as eve having significant more birth pains)?
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Cant resist - evil smile!
Thinking about the topic, these thoughts rise to the surface of the septic tank >
But first, we must remind ourselves of our evolutionary past. To do that I've chosen (arbitrarily) this 'New Scientist" time line:
Timeline: Human Evolution
55 million years ago (MYA)
First primitive primates evolve
8 – 6 MYA
First gorillas evolve. Later, chimp and human lineages diverge
5.8 MYA
Orrorin tugenensis, oldest human ancestor thought to have walked on two legs
5.5 MYA
Ardipithecus, early “proto-human” shares traits with chimps and gorillas, and is forest-dwelling
4 MYA
Australopithecines appear. They have brains no larger than a chimpanzee’s – with a volume around 400 – 500 cm3 -, but walk upright on two legs. First human ancestors to live on the savannah
3.2 MYA
Lucy, famous specimen of Australopithecus afarensis, lives near what is now Hadar, Ethiopia
2.7 MYA
Paranthropus, lives in woods and grasslands, has massive jaws for chewing on roots and vegetation. Becomes extinct 1.2 MYA
2.5 MYA
Homo habilis appears. Its face protrudes less than earlier hominids, but still retains many ape features. Has a brain volume of around 600 cm3
Hominids start to use stone tools regularly, created by splitting pebbles – this starts Oldowan tradition of toolmaking, which last a million years
Some hominids develop meat-rich diets as scavengers, the extra energy may have favoured the evolution of larger brains
2 MYA
Evidence of Homo ergaster, with a brain volume of up to 850 cm3, in Africa
1.8 – 1.5 MYA
Homo erectus is found in Asia. First true hunter-gatherer ancestor, and also first to have migrated out of Africa in large numbers. It attains a brain size of around 1000 cm3
1.6 MYA
Possible first sporadic use of fire suggested by discoloured sediments in Koobi Fora, Kenya. More convincing evidence of charred wood and stone tools is found in Israel and dated to 780,000 years ago
More complex Acheulean stone tools start to be produced and are the dominant technology until 100,000 years ago
600,000 YA
Homo Heidelbergensis lives in Africa and Europe. Similar brain capacity to modern humans
500,000 YA
Earliest evidence of purpose-built shelters – wooden huts – are known from sites near Chichibu, Japan
400,000 YA
Early humans begin to hunt with spears
325,000 YA
Oldest surviving early human footprints are left by three people who scrambled down the slopes of a volcano in Italy
280,000 YA
First complex stone blades and grinding stones
230,000 YA
Neanderthals appear and are found across Europe, from Britain in the west to Iran in the east, until they become extinct with the advent of modern humans 28,000 years ago
195,000 YA
Our own species Homo sapiens appears on the scene – and shortly after begins to migrate across Asia and Europe. Oldest modern human remains are two skulls found in Ethiopia that date to this period. Average human brain volume is 1350 cm3
170,000 YA
Mitochondrial Eve, the direct ancestor to all living people today, may have been living in Africa
150,000 YA
Humans possibly capable of speech. 100,000-year-old shell jewellery suggests that that people develop complex speech and symbolism
140,000 YA
First evidence of long-distance trade
110,000 YA
Earliest beads – made from ostrich eggshells – and jewellery
50,000 YA
“Great leap forward”: human culture starts to change much more rapidly than before; people begin burying their dead ritually; create clothes from animal hides; and develop complex hunting techniques, such as pit-traps.
Colonisation of Australia by modern humans
33,000 YA
Oldest cave art. Later, Stone Age artisans create the spectacular murals at Lascaux and Chauvet in France
Homo erectus dies out in Asia – replaced by modern man
18,000 YA
Homo Floresiensis, “Hobbit” people, found on the Indonesian island of Flores. They stand just over 1 metre tall, and have brains similar in size to chimpanzees, yet have advanced stone tools
12,000 YA
Modern people reach the Americas
10,000 YA
Agriculture develops and spread. First villages. Possible domestication of dogs
5,500 YA
Stone Age ends and Bronze Age begins. Humans begin to smelt and work copper and tin, and use them in place of stone implements
5,000 YA
Earliest known writing
4,000 to 3,500 BC
The Sumerians of Mesopotamia develop the world’s first civilisation
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Gay ex-Bethelite
by Chip Williamson injust now finding this web site and have enjoyed reading the comments.
i've never written down my story and it could be a jerry springer episode but here goes.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness from as early as i can remember.
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zophar : I knew a Sister who married a gay man. She did not know he was gay at the time of their marriage but found out on her wedding night. ... I guess she endured as long as she could. Her husband never remarried. I've never been able to view him the same way since.
Have you been judging him purely on the fact that he attempted to conform to Christian rules and failed. Please think this out further.
The ability to become sexually aroused is more or less dependent on attraction to the potential partner. If sexual attraction does not exist then (unless the male is a very highly sexed person) the male partner may not get an erection.
My friend tells me that he married a witness girl trusting that the YHWH/JESUS god would heal him. He had (at that time) an implicit trust in YHWH/JESUS. And he did love the girl, (he says) with a pure love. Of course, his inability to perform as often as his wife wanted, led inevitablly to a coldness between them. He tells that he often laid awake at night , praying to YHWH/JESUS to help him. They didn't! And he still laid awake at night willing himself to have an erection, but his own will also failed.
WHY? Because his natural sexual attraction was/is to other males. Only the poison of an evil Christianity has made people think that same sex attraction is evil and they must change.
So if you want to think bad of someone in your example, tell YHWH/JESUS what a poisonous pair of old bastards they really are.
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JW's in Ukraine
by Psalm1611 inneed help finding jw material written after 1986. good day!
i am reaching out for help from those of you that know your material better than i, an outsider.
i am a baptist missionary in ukraine for 5 years now.
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Psalm1611 : " Need help finding JW material written after 1986
Good day! I am reaching out for help from those of you that know your material better than I, an outsider. I am a Baptist missionary in Ukraine for 5 years now. ... I am constantly in contact with JWs. To deal with them, ..."Sure Psalms1611, you'll find some of the material you're looking to find. You'll also find some material demonstrating that the whole Judeao-Christian concept is in error. Study it carefully, through it you may be freed to be yourself and not waste your life as Jesus did.
