freaking her out all the time, with your' f_*)*)ing drugs.
yes - I've known kids with minds destroyed by this stuff.
know how you feel !!!!! (hug)
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I almost gave up today except for a girl her tried to throw herself infront of two cars.............
by umbertoecho inthis may sound insane but i literally have blood on my hands as i have just come home from a counselling session that went wrong...i wanted to collate all that has happened and record it...hospital policy is against it.
i said "what am i alive for then if not to tell the truth" she tut tutted and i walked out sadly in despair.. when i got to the ground floor there was a young girl screaming her head off.
she was afraid, that is all she was...........afraid.
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What did early Christians believe about the dead?
by fulltimestudent inas witnesses we were truly convinced that we knew the truth about the dead.
they were truly dead, and we often quoted ecclesiastes 9:4-6, our favourite proof text on that topic, to prove the point.
that text reads (just in case you've already forgotten it - smile), (from the niv):.
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I finished my post before last with - " In pages 36 to 40 he discusses messages left by the living requesting the dead to intercede for them. But that's for the next post."
The book referred to, being Peter Brown's, "The Ransom of the Soul."
On the pages I referred to, Brown describes an area in the catacombs of San Sebastiano, where Roman people, including Christians would go to eat 'celebratory' meals in what they felt was the presence of the deceased loved ones. Often they would scribble some kind of record of the mean, on a wall, along with a sort of prayer to the dead relatives/friends and church heroes.
Brown says there are some 330 such graffiti messages that can still be read.
So here in this quiet place we can still find the thoughts of ordinary Christians of the time prior to Constantine and the great changes he brought to the early church.
What do these scribbled messages tell us. Brown states that the overwhelming sense, is that the living prayed intently to be remembered by the dead.
For example, it was believed that Peter and Paul had been interred there for a while. so one graffiti message reads:
"Peter and Paul, have us in mind, Holy spirits, hold in your mind."
It was believed that dead Christians could also speak directly to God. So another reads:
"Peter and Paul, pray perpetually for Dativus."
But, such requests were not just addressed to the dead Christian heroes, but also to relatives and friends. An example given is this:
"Januaria, take your rest well, and ask for us."
Through these inscribed requests, we can see that for many early Christians, there was no thought that their dead relatives and friends were asleep in death, but they were regarded as being able to 'speak' directly to God and to pass on messages.
That's a far cry from being unconscious.
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EXACTLY Why JW's Are NOT Christian
by Perry ina lot of people, ex-jws, believers and unbelievers alike, think that jw's are just a somewhat kooky brand of christianity.
is it possible to "try and follow jesus" and not be christian?
what exactly makes someone a christian?
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It always intrigues me when people start saying that someone or something is not Christian. The evidence points to a spectrum of beliefs in the early church.
Anyway, I wondered what the definition of a Christian was in Antioch, you know, ...
"The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch." (Acts 11:26 NIV)
I wonder what they called themselves before that? Since Paul was a bit new at this game, did his arguments change during the preaching he did at Antioch?
Later in time, those who supported Athanasius and those who supported Arius were coming to blows and even shedding blood in their doctrinal struggle over new light and old light (cant resist the dig). Who was right, in view of what the gospel writers had recorded?
btw, can anyone recall who said this, and why it was said?
Quote: "Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
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Mutating music from Mongolia
by fulltimestudent indo you want this sound coming from your kid's bedrooms on sunday morning?
if not act now, play it tonite during dinner.. mongolia is getting to be a cool place, just watch out for their tendency to revere chinggis khan.. mongolian throat singer zorigoo (altain orgil).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93mixaf-c. and follow up with:.
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Mongolians are steppe people - you ought to know more about them. They destroyed the western Roman Empire, rode into west European cities and towns, killed the rulers and said, We here! we're taking over.
So modern France and Germany owe a lot to the Steppe people, as do Hungary, Bulgaria and Russia.
But it doesn't stop there. The Xiongnu to the north of China, were the bane of the Chinese kingdoms before the first emperor. From some perspectives, the steppe people were THE big power. And they kept coming. Pushed back by the Qin (who were a related people) and the Han, relatives formed the Sui dynasty and then the Tang, and then the Yuan dynasty and then the Qing dynasty, as well as many smaller empires in what is now north China. North Korea may be more steppe people than anything else, and they are an important part of the South Korea ethnicity and Japan.
Steppe people rule !!!
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Mutating music from Mongolia
by fulltimestudent indo you want this sound coming from your kid's bedrooms on sunday morning?
if not act now, play it tonite during dinner.. mongolia is getting to be a cool place, just watch out for their tendency to revere chinggis khan.. mongolian throat singer zorigoo (altain orgil).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93mixaf-c. and follow up with:.
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Do you want this sound coming from your kid's bedrooms on sunday morning? If not act now, play it tonite during dinner.
Mongolia is getting to be a cool place, just watch out for their tendency to revere Chinggis Khan.
Mongolian throat singer Zorigoo (altain orgil)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93MIxAf-c
and follow up with:
Khoomii Mongolian Throat Song "Mountain Kharkhiraa" (Techno)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW7uvYz9yjA
and
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What did early Christians believe about the dead?
by fulltimestudent inas witnesses we were truly convinced that we knew the truth about the dead.
they were truly dead, and we often quoted ecclesiastes 9:4-6, our favourite proof text on that topic, to prove the point.
that text reads (just in case you've already forgotten it - smile), (from the niv):.
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paradisebeauty: The jw's are wrong on many doctrine, but I do not think they are wrong on the "life after death" separated from the body doctrine.
Thnx for the reference, paradisebeauty. But, I was not arguing for soul life or soul death. The thread was simply to examine what early Christians thought about the dead. As I headed my last post:
"The biggest problem in using early writings, etc is that there was likely no unified 'Christian' belief system. So with that in mind, we should take care not to suggest that the evidence for a particular personal belief, demonstrates that ALL early Christians believed it."
I will get round to reading your reference one day (got a lot of study at present) :(, though I note that its sort of associated with what seems to (may be) another splinter group from Armstrong's WWCG. Although, the Restoration Fellowship's own web-site claims an independent formation.
Restoration Fellowship was founded by Sir Anthony Buzzard, Bt., MA (Oxon.) MA Th. in 1981. The subject matter of our literature is not new and has been held by small groups of believers throughout the centuries, notably by some Anabaptists and the Church of God General Conference whose headquarters and college, Atlanta Bible College, are located in McDonough, GA, USA.
http://focusonthekingdom.org/index.htmland thnx again for posting.
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What did early Christians believe about the dead?
by fulltimestudent inas witnesses we were truly convinced that we knew the truth about the dead.
they were truly dead, and we often quoted ecclesiastes 9:4-6, our favourite proof text on that topic, to prove the point.
that text reads (just in case you've already forgotten it - smile), (from the niv):.
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The biggest problem in using early writings, etc is that there was likely no unified 'Christian' belief system. So with that in mind, we should take care not to suggest that the evidence for a particular personal belief, demonstrates that ALL early Christians believed it.
So with that thought in mind, lets look at another source of information about the post-death beliefs.
A well-known scholar, (Peter Brown, Professor Emeritus, Philip and Beulah Rollins Professor of History, Emeritus. Senior Historian. Princeton University), who has specialised in the period known as 'late antiquity' (usually considered as between the third and ninth centuries, CE.) and the rise of Christianity published a book this year, entitled, "The Ransom of the Soul." ( Harvard University Press, 2015) in which he explores the connection between ' afterlife and wealth in early western Christianity). I mention this because I'm using Brown's work to look at what early Christian's thought on the topic of life after death.
For example, on p.5 of the book, in the introduction, he quotes Cyprian (bishop of Carthage in 250 CE), death provided an instantaneous entry to heaven. He imagined,
"... to close in a moment the eyes by which human beings and the world are seen, and to open these same eyes instantly to see God and Christ."
In pages 36 to 40 he discusses messages left by the living requesting the dead to intercede for them. But that's for the next post.
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Hebrew Was The First Language
by Bloody Hotdogs! inaccording to the newest watchtower:.
jehovah communicated with adam in the garden of eden, using human language.
god likely did so in an ancient form of hebrew.
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They've been making this absurd claim for a while
Yup! I have a vague memory of a WT study article, maybe in the late 1950's or early 1960s in which the author (likely that glorious scholar, F Franz) made the same point.
then (as likely now) it'll get all the bros speculating on having to learning Hebrew in the paradise, (if not Akkadian which some see as the oldest, known semitic language) and take their minds off Yahweh's delay in introducing the paradise.