prologos : wow, must be nice to live among millions of industrious people if you have the leisure to enjoy it.
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The Winter festival in Harbin - piks of this year's ice constructions.
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Religious Belief, Fundamentalism and Intolerance - from the Oxford University Press Blog
by fulltimestudent ina brief overview of christian churches efforts to prevent their members hearing anything but church dogma.
the author does not mention our former loving brothers and sisters, who do all things out of love (haha), but we can see the same attitude at work.. quote: "the logic of intolerance has been remarkably consistent over many centuries, within different churches and cultures.
it can be used equally by those who read the hebrew bible, the new testament, or the koran.
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A brief overview of Christian churches efforts to prevent their members hearing anything but church dogma.
The author does not mention our former loving brothers and sisters, who do all things out of love (haha), but we can see the same attitude at work.
Quote: "The logic of intolerance has been remarkably consistent over many centuries, within different churches and cultures. It can be used equally by those who read the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, or the Koran. St Thomas argued, in the thirteenth century, that the harm caused by heresy (the eternal punishment of apostates) was much greater than the harm inflicted on heretics (torture and the mere loss of life); therefore, the latter was preferable to the former. The common feature throughout this blight on humanity is the uncritical conviction that supports both what is believed—the sheer variety of which alone undermines its alleged certainty—and the political theory that justifies its enforcement on others."
Quote: " (some) are not restrained by the uncertainty of their convictions. For them, the Kalashnikov is the modern equivalent of burning at the stake.Quote:
The author, Desmond M. Clarke is Emeritus Professor of Philosophy at the National University of Ireland and a member of the Royal Irish Academy.
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Sick! "Stoning of Two Transgenders in Dortmund, Germany Prevented By Police In The Last Minute."
by park ave boy inthis is what europe is becoming?
my work colleague in germany sent my this article in an email and it is perhaps one of the most disturbing things i have heard yet.
i have been hearing about many of these recent homophobic and transphobic hate crimes taking place across europe but this one slipped through the cracks.
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blondie: It is not a European problem, but a worldwide problem. Gay people and others have been beaten and/or killed in the US and every country on earth.
Absolutely!
blondie: Mostly by men who seem to be afraid for their own masculinity, but that is just my gut feeling.
Or, solve their own confusion over their attraction to other males by violence. Scratch a homophobe and find same sex attraction under their skin.
It must also be acknowledged that Christianity has used violence against same sex attracted people and gender different people in an attempt to force their un-natural conformity to Christian rules. There are many, many examples of horrible incidents of gay-bashing in most western countries. The verbal gay-bashing by members of the JW/GB are just another example of the failure of Christianity.
And compare the other examples of bad behaviour (in Europe) to this Australian example. In supposedly 'civilised' Australia, during the recent Christian festival of Xmas,
"Every day of the festive period 74 women across Australia reached out to rape and domestic violence support services. Between December 21 and January 3, Rape and Domestic Violence Services Australia assisted 1043 individual clients across its three telephone services – a 32 per cent increase on the same period last year.
Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/74-women-a-day-sought-rape-and-domestic-violence-support-over-festive-break-20160116-gm79m9.html#ixzz3xRwuKOOXSo easy to excuse bad behaviour sometimes, isn't it?
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Any William Miller Scholars out there?
by neverendingjourney infor those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.
see this chart:.
if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).
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neverendingjourney: Rutherford really left a mark on the religion.
Rutherford had connections with the family behind Coca Cola. I suggest that when he saw what advertising could do for a soft drink, he incorporated American advertising techniques into his 'revised' WT religion - hence his slogan. ( I think it was the 1938 Assembly).
" Advertise, Advertise, Advertise, The King and His Kingdom."
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Parallel holidays
by Clambake inso my wife congregation had a huge wing ding on jan. 2 complete with live band / food dancing and alcohol.
yet her company had a yearend party on nov. 15 which she couldn’t go to because it could be perceived as a christmas party.
i am supposed to be worried that the third century church set up a parallel festival with the winter solace to try and get pagans to convert to christianity but they pull crap like this ?
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BluesBrother : Yes, it is just finding a way to get around the rules, and have some fun anyway.
That's it?
There is a human need to have things like festivals and celebrations. All religions have them. I always thought that Assemblies were meant to take the place of Christendom's festivals. If so, most were on the dour side.
In my own family I made our wedding anniversary a family festival complete with presents and an special dinner. The human experience is that there's always a way around problems.
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Any William Miller Scholars out there?
by neverendingjourney infor those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.
see this chart:.
if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).
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Millerism informed generations of American Christians. The line of thought definitely influenced Charlie R. -
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Living Through the Brief Liberalization of Jehovah's Witnesses, Never Recovering
by TMS inwith the book crisis of conscience detailing the turbulence at bethel during the early to mid 70's, the transformation from autocratic rule to governance by committee or a body of men, many of us can speak to how that felt among the rank and file of the local congregations during those years.
we learned new concepts based in large part to research done for the aid to bible understanding volume, then we were asked or coerced into unlearning those principles, going back to the old ways.
some of us never readjusted, finding ourselves very different from our more hardline compadres.. the inertia for the changes that eventually were initiated in the congregations came from the discovery that the greek words episkopos and presbyteros were used biblically to refer to all qualified men in a congregation, not just one.
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Another story - not everyone liked that sudden and exhilarating 'spring.' A sister (we were quite close at one time) finding all those changes a little difficult to deal with said to me one day. I liked it when everything was black and white, now everything is some shade of grey and you've got to work out how grey is too grey.
OK. Brooklyn soon fixed that up.
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On another topic - I noted somewhere that Vaughn Guy is now on the Aussie Branch Committee. I always found him an easy guy to deal with. I wonder what he's like now?
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Living Through the Brief Liberalization of Jehovah's Witnesses, Never Recovering
by TMS inwith the book crisis of conscience detailing the turbulence at bethel during the early to mid 70's, the transformation from autocratic rule to governance by committee or a body of men, many of us can speak to how that felt among the rank and file of the local congregations during those years.
we learned new concepts based in large part to research done for the aid to bible understanding volume, then we were asked or coerced into unlearning those principles, going back to the old ways.
some of us never readjusted, finding ourselves very different from our more hardline compadres.. the inertia for the changes that eventually were initiated in the congregations came from the discovery that the greek words episkopos and presbyteros were used biblically to refer to all qualified men in a congregation, not just one.
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Ultimate Axiom : I remember a great deal of intellectual freedom ...
Yeah! I recall that too.
And then the 'shutdown.' haha!!!!
It really pissed one of my friends off. He had a young family after pioneering and continually struggled to make ends meet for his family. ( YHWH will provide - bullshit!)
His father-in-law had come off the circuit work and was being 'developed' as a writer (including, it seems, articles with a spiritual content). As, I remember it, Dave Madzay had something to do with that 'writing' team, and Dave always seemed to me to be on the 'left' rather than the 'right (grin) but then he had be a bit liberal because of his drinking problem (another grin).
Anyway, with this new liberal intellectual attitude, they were apparently allowed to use some previously forbidden, publications used in academic research and churches. I forget what the name of this 'Bible aid' was but it was a set of volumes and cost in those days, some 500 dollars (a few weeks wages as I recall it).
Father-in-law tells son-in-law how helpful it would be to his writing research to have this $500 dollar research help. Son-in-law ever-conscious of serving YHWH, decides to buy this $500 set that has suddenly become a spiritual treasure for his father-in-law and his family goes without whatever.
A few years later, the heavenly weather changes, and consulting anything from non-JW sources is suddenly forbidden (again) and the $500 volumes go into the garbage bin.
My friend took it on the chin like the faithful Christian that he was (then), but I think it was the beginning of his awareness that led to his freedom ( he is now a sceptic).
Maybe $500 was cheap to be free from bloody old YHWH and his Jesus side-kick.
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Did Jesus actually start a church to himself?
by TTWSYF inwith some 30,000 different christian denominations, how would one know which one was for real?
some folks think jesus did start a church, others think no.
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Mephis :And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Again, that is the future tense. Even according to Matthew, written half a century later, the 'church' (ekklesia) doesn't exist when he says that to Peter. It is not "and on this rock I am building my church" or "on this rock I have built my church".And that's assuming Matthew has it right.
Haha! But the Matthew document (written by whom?) isn't the only document that mentions succession. The Gospel of Thomas, has another perspective:
"The disciples said to Jesus: We know that thou wilt go from us. Who is he who shall be great over us? Jesus said to them: In the place to which you come, you shall go to James the Just for whose sake heaven and earth came into being." (Gos.Thom. 12)
Ben Witherington III, another contemporary student of early Christianity, in his "New Testament History: A Narrative Account,' and is a believer* discusses the key role played by the family of Jesus, and quotes the above passage, acknowledging that "James played and important and central role in the earliest days of Christianity ..."
He then quotes the early church historians, Eusebius and Epiphanius, that the first two bishops ot the church in Jerusalem were relative of Jesus - James and Simeon, and refers to evidence** that the grandsons of Jesus' other brother Jude (likely author of the NT letter of that name).
Interestingly, he continues that:"What little evidence we have does not encourage us to think that Galilean Christianity under the family of Jesus, and perhaps some of the Twelve, was any less Jewish than the Jerusalem-centred community."
In other words, Christianity (at first) was a Jewish sect, in the same way that the Essenes were a Jewish sect, which is also the point that Vermes was making, as I noted in my previous post.
We can only guess how James got involved in the early church, and how James and Peter sorted out their respective roles.
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* In the dedication of the above-mentioned book he acknowledges a R.D.H., who has been the hands of Jesus in my life.
** R.Bauckham, Jude and the Relatives of Jesus in the Early Church, (Edinburgh: Clark,1990)
