Posts by jmorgan74

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Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Brother Jeramy in

allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

jmorgan74

Jeramy, I sent you a private message.

To those that vehemently disagree with Jeramy and his choices, have you considered possibly seasoning your words with a bit of salt? Not many from Jeramy's perspective comes to this forum to share their viewpoint. If your goal is to get more people to leave the organization, try taking the attitude of one leading a potential friend by the hand, rather than directly condemning him for not yet choosing the position you would have him take. Maybe more JWs would feel more comfortable to join and share similar thoughts like Jeramy, opening up more opportunities for you to do more of the same. Just a suggestion. I don't really care what you do.

Personally I sympathize with Jeramy's perspective, and it appears (to me) that many extremist-JWs eventually become extremist-EXJWs. The organization seems skilled at churning out intolerant, Pharisaical people.

Thanks,
Jack

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Are You Moving Ahead With Jehovahs Organization? Study WT May 2014

by KateWild in

obedience is key in the paragraph below and the urgency is also emphasised with an exclaimation mark.. .

10 the earthly part of gods organization is moving ahead in many ways.

it helps us understand bible truth more and more clearly.

jmorgan74

I would say that in many of the instances of what you called a strawman, they are just assuming what they have yet to prove. So I would call that "begging the question," if I had to give it a label. But when we're talking about articles that are really meant for internal use, they're not going to continuously go back over teachings and doctrines as if their audience is unfamiliar or unaccepting of the idea being assumed. Nor would I expect them to. It's just that we (most of us on this forum) would find fault would some of those conclusions that the Watchtower just assumes because we are no longer willing to accept the arguments and basis for teachings that we once did.

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Are You Moving Ahead With Jehovahs Organization? Study WT May 2014

by KateWild in

obedience is key in the paragraph below and the urgency is also emphasised with an exclaimation mark.. .

10 the earthly part of gods organization is moving ahead in many ways.

it helps us understand bible truth more and more clearly.

jmorgan74

In order for the Watchtower to be guilty of a strawman, they'd have to misrepresent someone else's argument. How did they do that?

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Are You Moving Ahead With Jehovahs Organization? Study WT May 2014

by KateWild in

obedience is key in the paragraph below and the urgency is also emphasised with an exclaimation mark.. .

10 the earthly part of gods organization is moving ahead in many ways.

it helps us understand bible truth more and more clearly.

jmorgan74

punk, I don't think you understand what a "strawman" actually is...

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What Is Cognitive Dissoance and How Does It Affect False Prophecy (Dr. William Lane Craig).

by RottenRiley in

more clarity on cognitive dissonance, by william lane craig (double phd)for those who hear this term, dr. craig explains what c.d.

is and mentions how jehovahs witnesses were affected by failed prophecy and how the watchtower salvaged its second coming failed prophecy.. .

i like how he explains the concept we all are becoming more familiar with, enjoy the podcast, you will throughly understand what cognitive dissoance is after this twenty minute podcasts.

jmorgan74

I'm just posting again to get clarification on which specific recording is being referred to.

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What Is Cognitive Dissoance and How Does It Affect False Prophecy (Dr. William Lane Craig).

by RottenRiley in

more clarity on cognitive dissonance, by william lane craig (double phd)for those who hear this term, dr. craig explains what c.d.

is and mentions how jehovahs witnesses were affected by failed prophecy and how the watchtower salvaged its second coming failed prophecy.. .

i like how he explains the concept we all are becoming more familiar with, enjoy the podcast, you will throughly understand what cognitive dissoance is after this twenty minute podcasts.

jmorgan74

RottenRiley,

I can't find the MP3 on Cognitive Dissonance, could you please tell me what the number of the recording is?

Thanks!

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Atheist Book of Bible Stories

by crystlew123 in

jw
friends

ok so i dl'd this book.

and i immediatly began reading it.

i am about 50 pdf pages into it.

jmorgan74

After thinking about this some more, I think I probably was too sarcastic in my responses in this topic. I apologize.

JPMorgan why would I google who killed goliath. According to the way I was raised, it was David. I didnt need to look it up when I was asked this question. I ws never told of this other person who also killed Goliath. You know that oxygen is what humans breathe. Did you look it up on google? YOu have been told this your whole life. DUDE SERIOUSLY? why would you beleive that it is OXYGEN you breathe just because you grew up hearing that damn near everyday and was forced to accept this at face value? Was the internet available widely when you wer growing up? Hmm SERIOUSLY???

Ok, I deserve some of the angst expressed here. All I was trying to express is that if I was told something that bothered me, something that was different from what I was previously told, then I would absolutely verify what was being said with at least doing a google search. I would also dig deeper, evaulate the sources, and then make a decision. Believe me, there have been issues that have come up, and positions I've had to abandon that were once very important to me, and I didn't let go easily. But eventually I had to make the choice based on the evidence that I had.

Thanks,
Jack

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Atheist Book of Bible Stories

by crystlew123 in

jw
friends

ok so i dl'd this book.

and i immediatly began reading it.

i am about 50 pdf pages into it.

jmorgan74

@ Sulla

The thing that bothers me the most about these kinds of topics is that the 'struggling believer' goes out, reads a single book, and the matter's completely settled after that.

"Let's not bother with checking out the other side to these issues, the Bible must not be true, and God must not exist. Because I read a book. I'm going to watch Jersey Shore now!"

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Atheist Book of Bible Stories

by crystlew123 in

jw
friends

ok so i dl'd this book.

and i immediatly began reading it.

i am about 50 pdf pages into it.

jmorgan74

feel kinda wierd that my mind just got blown like this.

Dude. Seriously?

http://tinyurl.com/8aowk2p

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Absalom prefigured young JWs who fist bump, play video games, and take pictures of themselves with the opposite sex

by JimmyPage in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses top the list in not being able to hold on to their younger members.

so what do they do to combat this?

do they go out of their way to change things to keep the next generation, their only real hope of long run survival?

jmorgan74

That's my impression of the most recent WT study which had an artist's rendition of an ordinary teenager doing ordinary things- fist bumping their friends, playing video games, and taking pictures of themselves with the opposite sex. This poor ordinary guy gets labelled a modern day "Absalom" and the WT conductor says the only answer for others around him is to "cut off all association with him".

Whoa. Which Watchtower is this? If this is true (and I'm sure it is, after seeing the picture), then they've alienated....everyone.... that I remember growing up with.

Thanks,
Jack