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  trying to understand

  by pbrow in

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  2. medical

  i think the blood issue is an incredible looking glass into what is wrong with the legelize style of relgion.. unfortunately my ex is a "very good" jdub and still have to deal with it because of my two children.

  i think i understand that fractions of components are not considered blood but i think that realization brings this next question.. does it simply just not matter that the fractions of components came from blood?.

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  yes, i get that. all fractions still have to come from the blood. I think terry's explanation is a long way of saying that dubs dont think about the fractions of components coming from actual blood because it has not been in the watchtower. I completely agree, as a 30 year born in disassociated exmember I remember the the constant feeling of having a watchtower curmudgeon on my shoulder during every decision i made. I guess im asking has anyone used this line of reasoning, does it not matter that fractions of components still come from actual blood, on someone who is in.

  I also understand that people are not going to understand until they are going to understand. I just want to know what may be countered to that question while actually talking to a "very good jdub"

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  I was Dubsnubbed this past week.

  by I quit! in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just this past week i went to see a jbub relative that was in the hospital.

  there was an elder there from her hall.

  he was probably there for support but also to make sure no blood was used.

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  hey mutz, i completely agree and it goes to show the the inherent goodness in people that has nothing to do with religion. Even though some of these dubs have been in for many years you can see the internal struggle they have to NOT show simple decent human behavior. The goodness will never go away and hopefully it will be what wakes some of these people up.

  dubsnubbed +1

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  trying to understand

  by pbrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i think the blood issue is an incredible looking glass into what is wrong with the legelize style of relgion.. unfortunately my ex is a "very good" jdub and still have to deal with it because of my two children.

  i think i understand that fractions of components are not considered blood but i think that realization brings this next question.. does it simply just not matter that the fractions of components came from blood?.

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  I think the blood issue is an incredible looking glass into what is wrong with the legelize style of relgion.

  Unfortunately my ex is a "very good" jdub and still have to deal with it because of my two children. I think I understand that fractions of components are not considered blood but I think that realization brings this next question.. Does it simply just not matter that the fractions of components came FROM blood?

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  There is no happy endings for Jehovahs witnesses

  by Star tiger in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's sad too say that all of us good people that believed in a happy ending through justice that god would protect us, is a false promise, it us mere humans that make our lives and however we chose to lives this is our lot, no mystic new order or paradise earth, we make our own destiny!!!.

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  the star tiger.

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  there most certainly are happy endings for jdubs! you can even choose the girls! However i would imagine a judicial commitee would be formed very quickly!!

  pbrow

  hey, wtw.... how about SLW!!
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  ~~~ an imperial nod....

  by chickpea in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it was a classic moment of jw-ery.

  my son, who happens to be a female to male.

  transgender 17 yo boy, was with me at the.

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  I have recieved similar. The same smile and awkward look down from them. Its like they are ashamed but they are unable to overcome their shame from doing something so unchristian.

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  How the Good work of Russell became the curse of the Watchtower today

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the greatest benefit to come from jehovah's witnesses was the introduction of honest investigation into the.

  claims of christianity based on the bible.. exposing error was the gimmick.. replacing doctrine or ritual with door to door activity was the greatest failure to follow truth where it leads.. .

  mainstream religion in pastor russell's day was set in stone.

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  terry,

  ever since i started lurking on this site, i have looked forward to your perspective and thoughts on things. I use to try and explain to people that doubted the bible or doubted jesus existance, how could a group of story writers write about a man that has litterally touched billions of peoples lives in a postive way. It just couldnt be done, It had to be all real. After several years of this I realized (as I was telling yet another unbelieving, doubtful satan worshiper about the man that touched so many lives) that indeed muslims did have a man that was "made up"(in my mind) that touched millions and in fact billions of peoples lives.

  To your point about the bible being at the very least a copy of a copy (most likely many more copies in between) I find it amazing that we as a human family can shut out fellow humans, shut out our families, pretend were right and they are wrong and lord it over one another because we feel that the comma should be here or the comma should be there.

  I know this is rambling and i apologize for messing up your well thought out posts.

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  Ran into not One, not Two, but THREE elders at the same time!

  by Soldier77 in

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  2. experiences

  so i'm out doing some shopping at the supermarket and as i'm walking to the checkout, i see my so and his wife (in full fs attire) talking to someone just past the checkout registers.

  i am looking for the furthest checkout at this point making sure not to be noticed by the so or his wife.

  well, just my freakin luck, there is only one checkout open.

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  I am no one to judge, I still have family in who know the truth about the truth and continue to stay in. They have their reasons and thats fine with me. They know where I stand and I them. It is my sincerest hope that this is not construed as judgemental.

  Please reread your post but this time read it from a "normal" persons perspective. It would seem to me that you are living in fear of these people. Fading is not a sin, be up front with them and dont let them talk down to you, really who asks someone "how are you doing spiritually?" Hey bro, you ever jerk off in the shower? Mind your own effin business!! (1 Thess 4:11(sans the effing)) If you feel like this is how you have to respond by hiding or ducking away, i get it, im not judging it. Thats fine with me, but I just feel like the longer we as ex-jdubs still play by the "shunning rules" or play the guilt game the longer this sham of a policy will continue to be a powerful tool for the church.

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  assemblies; how times have changed

  by Evidently Apostate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife mentioned our circuit assembly was this weekend, she looked at me and i let out a chuckle and said "the kids are too sick right?

  " (they weren't) but it was what she wanted to hear, an excuse from me to blow it off.

  it got us thinking about how they were kind of tolerable when we were younger.. meals with ice cream, lots of volunteering to get you out of your seat.. there was more room at past assemblies.

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  I loved vanilla pudding!!

  What about the tickets? They were like gold!

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  first true shunning!

  by pbrow in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was at the bank and was at the front counter asking for help and my old jdub elder boss walks in.

  i do a double take and say "hey denny, how you doin?

  " he says nothing and fills out his deposit slip.

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  the emotionally straining part is not dealing with the majority of people who are still trapped inside. I really feel for them. I want to help but like so many on this site have said "if people are not ready to see it, the wont" My mother is still in but she knows the truth about the truth. She just has an entirely different social structure than I do and I hold it against noone why she or anyone else chooses to leave or stay. The tough part for me is that my ex-wife and her husband are uber dubs and I need to make sure that my kids grow up with all the experiences and opportunities to think critically that I was not given. Sometimes I am scared about them choosing the jdub lifestyle someday but given my socially sheltered upbringing I cannot possibly imagine that my kids will choose that lifestyle when allowed to see both perspectives. In my last meeting with their mother I told her that I am glad they get to live in "a good jdub household" because in the end when people are allowed to see both perspectives the jdub does not stand up to honest scrutiny.

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  first true shunning!

  by pbrow in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was at the bank and was at the front counter asking for help and my old jdub elder boss walks in.

  i do a double take and say "hey denny, how you doin?

  " he says nothing and fills out his deposit slip.

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  no, dont be sorry!!

  Dont feel bad for me at all! What floors me is this is a self made man. Decent business, at one time employed at least 5 other people, takes care of his family but he is "captive of the concept" just as I was for most of my life. I have pity on him. He has been df'd when he was younger, he knows how the game is played but he is still trapped enough, (even though I believe I saw a bit of a real person in his actions) to not even have the common decency to give a fellow person a "hello"

  I love being free!

  pbrow