Hey Focus.........
You could post that every day and I would not tire of it....
pbrow
okay, let's do a big what-if: suppose the gb for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got new light (tm) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants.
they would, of course, refer to the examples of junia (apostle), and priscilla and phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the greek scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there.
stranger things have happened in wt history.. that being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?.
Hey Focus.........
You could post that every day and I would not tire of it....
pbrow
i believe the organization is already easing up on disfellowshipping people for apostasy.
they know most doubters just want to be left alone.
disfellowshipping them turns them into martyrs.
What they need to do is go back to the 1946?? Watchtower that equates excommunication w/ paganism. I believe if they would just stop with harsh stance on disfellowshipping / dissassociation that they would not lose as many people as they and others on this board think they would lose. You would be free to question but free to worship how you choose. They would certainly have to back track on other items as well but they could become more like the catholic church. People could have their crazy beliefs and eat them too.
pbrow
found it...... 47 watchtower....
http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/hightech199/media/USER1-PC/Pics/1111111an_zpsb9cc6393.jpg.html
pbrow
can't...tear...my...eyes...away.... .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx8db7m5mzq.
JJJJEEEEEEEEHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
pbrow
can't...tear...my...eyes...away.... .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx8db7m5mzq.
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this was the theme of a talk at this week's 2nd weekly meeting with the co.. .
if you are a progressive thinker, so went the reasoning, you will accept all of the adjustments coming from the 'faithful and discreet slave'.. .
this so hurt my head when wife told me about it; really?.
Lets say your father was really into fucking goats...... Well you moved away when you found out your dad was a goat fucker just to get away from him. Good for you. Now the authorities set up a sting operation with some really hot goats... your dad fell for it... i mean he really went to town, but when the authorities broke down the hotel door your dad managed tewe barely escape. Now the authorities track YOU down and have YOU in custody and are going to imprison YOU for 20 years because of your dad being a prolific goat fucker.
Well that isnt right!! You dont like goats.... maybe you fed a few at the petting zoo when you were a kid (do you remember now that you were always losing your dad there???) but you are not into animals, after all you are a respected sheep farmer! It doesnt matter, you have to pay for the sins of your father because of the fucked up system that you live in. Just the way it is. Thats how your god wants it... the sins of the father are payed for by the son.
Doesnt that sound effed up?? Being a part of a human sacrifice cult that thinks that one human being can sacrifice for the sins of another sounds just as effed up to me.
pbrow
this was the theme of a talk at this week's 2nd weekly meeting with the co.. .
if you are a progressive thinker, so went the reasoning, you will accept all of the adjustments coming from the 'faithful and discreet slave'.. .
this so hurt my head when wife told me about it; really?.
Harris..
Yes, technically all religions are cults. The jw's just go one step further and are a mind control cult.
From what I read you are part of a human sacrifice cult. You are part of a cult that thinks it is somehow moral for one man to pay for the sins of another. Its not that much better than plain old vanilla cult like organized religion but you are still in a cult.
pbrow
this was the theme of a talk at this week's 2nd weekly meeting with the co.. .
if you are a progressive thinker, so went the reasoning, you will accept all of the adjustments coming from the 'faithful and discreet slave'.. .
this so hurt my head when wife told me about it; really?.
This is the exact reason why the wife says the dubs have an excellent marketing department. Just when you think things cant get any wierder you have dubs running around calling themselves progressive thinkers!
pbrow
gorby and his lovely wife had during dinner a chat about watchtower hypocrisy.
she faded with me since 2007 and shows sometimes affection for the organization.. we talked about the gb and ray franz.. she asked me if she could read my ray franz books.. now i have a dilemma.
the books gave me a hard time in the '90.. i know the ray franz truth can hurt and shock her so much.
All this talk about chaining and locking up is getting me way more interested in this thread than I should be...
Just have a safe word...
pbrow
i know the society is against higher education and the pursuit of careers but in my experience the elders in the various congregations i attended had good careers.
in fact most had their own businesses.
thinking back of the boe when i was a teenager this is what they had as a career: two were respected carpenters who owned a construction business, one a high school teacher(he was the po), one sold insurance and was a lawyer, one owned a landscaping business and also hired sisters to clean office buildings and other accounts he had, one was retired, and the last was a janitor for the school board.
I worked for an elder when I was younger.... That elder hired another elder and a few pioneer sisters over the years. He did well for himself and paid a pretty competitive wage. I moved up pretty quickly in a job where a "worldly" employer may not have even hired me because of lack of education.
Window washer, Real estate agent... call them whatever you want, I am out and they are still stuck in. Freedom is priceless.
Next....
pbrow
gorby and his lovely wife had during dinner a chat about watchtower hypocrisy.
she faded with me since 2007 and shows sometimes affection for the organization.. we talked about the gb and ray franz.. she asked me if she could read my ray franz books.. now i have a dilemma.
the books gave me a hard time in the '90.. i know the ray franz truth can hurt and shock her so much.
villagegirl...
Wait.... I though all women needed to get permission from their husbands to read!!!!! What is this world coming to ! !
Seriously though...
gorby..... just a suggestion... Start her off w/ only the first chapter. If she is already semi-awake, I think the first chapter will be extremely comforting to know that he went through the struggle while writing the book, the same as her.
pbrow