Posts by pbrow

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The Bible Texts Watchtower has never commented on

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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the watchtower library is a great tool to learn more about the watchtower itself.

for example, answering the question "does the word "organization" ever appear in the bible"?

is easy to answer using it.

pbrow

or these..

Romans 14:5-6

One man judges one day as above another, another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day observes it to jehovah. Also, the one who eats, eats to jehovah, for he gives thanks to god; and the one who does not eat does not eat to jehovah, and yet gives thanks to god.

or

Colossians 2:16

Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath.

Do not start thinking for yourself!!!!

pbrow

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Looking for my little sister.

by DeadmanWalking in

i have a little sister havnt seen or heard from in 20 years she was da for attending a church she was 17 at the time she moved out and lived with a family not jw's in fact they are very a posed to jw's the past 20 years i've tried to make contact she won't respond all i know is she's got kids 2 or 3 of them she lives outside charlotte nc and works for a insurance company as an underwriter.

i think her husband is a police officer ?

being back in her life having a niece or nephew to watch grow up would be nice.

pbrow

deadman... Selfish is ok, selfish is good. You have wasted how long being "selfless" in the work of the lord? You allowed yourself to be controlled by a cult but you are awake! At the end of the day, that is all that matters!

You have made bad decisions in the past but WE ALL HAVE! You treated your sister poorly but now you want to apologize for that. That is admirable. You want to have her and her family in your life now. That is normal. Do not be easily discouraged but take the advice of the many people that support you and make the decision that is best for your circumstances.

Good luck!

pbrow

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Is God pulling out who he wants in paradise/heaven from all places of worship

by tor1500 in

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2 cents tor here...i was just thinking...most of the folks who don't go to church yet they worship god, also not fanatical, is god showing what a sham religion is.

we see many today do care about each other but not really into religion.

most of the folks i meet are much nicer than people in places of worship.

pbrow

"just another thought...of why god may not chose folks from church..."

The sooner you realize that any statement by any religious person in the history of the world is "just another thought" the better off you will be.

When I was a babe i use to believe as a babe, when I became a man I put away childish beliefs

pbrow

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Looking forward to going to Memorial this year!

by kpop in

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i have some tricks to play.

i know it may sound childish but i feel that creating havoc and forcing the memorial to be postponed will be the highlight of the night!

wish me luck!.

pbrow

kpop.... Almost everyone in this forum is saying "dont do it" or "you will hurt other peoples feeling"

I am not sure if any of those people are born ins or not but I was forced into this church and everytime I wanted to go out for sports i was told "dont do it" When I wanted to voice my opinions to others those close to me would say "you will hurt other peoples feelings"

If you are a born in, you had an entire childhood of being told what to do, what to say and who to say it to with no freedom of expression or freedom of thought. You obviously have to make your own decision, but please dont listen to the folks saying "you will only reinforce the jw view of apostates" Maybe you will, maybe you wont, maybe fuck them.

Do not be violent, do not be drunk and give them something to think about. or don't. You get to make your own choices now!

Good luck

pbrow

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Looking for my little sister.

by DeadmanWalking in

i have a little sister havnt seen or heard from in 20 years she was da for attending a church she was 17 at the time she moved out and lived with a family not jw's in fact they are very a posed to jw's the past 20 years i've tried to make contact she won't respond all i know is she's got kids 2 or 3 of them she lives outside charlotte nc and works for a insurance company as an underwriter.

i think her husband is a police officer ?

being back in her life having a niece or nephew to watch grow up would be nice.

pbrow

Not sure how long you have been out deadman but make sure you are physically and especially emotionally out. I have found lots of people that were df but were still mentally in.

Like many others here you can talk w/ df'd people who still think this is a group that "generally gets it right" but are imperfect humans. If that describes you in any way do not contact her yet. Do some more digging, jwfacts, crisis of conscience. Get completely out before you make contact w/ someone who was treated the way your sister was treated.

pbrow

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Trump Apologetics

by azor in

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what do you think it will take to get the defenders, and equivocators to stop their apologetics?.

i'm beginning to wonder if we will literally see the king walking down the street with no clothes and still have the equivicators on this board make excuses.

.

pbrow

It will probably take a nuclear war. With the constant state of panic and end times talk coming from anyone who disagrees with trump, I would say a nuclear war.

Trump is attempting to govern and almost everything he does is being fought against. Last I checked that is how it works in the good ol' USA.

It is difficult to defend him against shutting down the news media and closing internet websites but... meh... what can you do.

pbrow

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Looking forward to going to Memorial this year!

by kpop in

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i have some tricks to play.

i know it may sound childish but i feel that creating havoc and forcing the memorial to be postponed will be the highlight of the night!

wish me luck!.

pbrow

Hey kpop... i say go for it. Dont be a dick, dont do anything violent but I am sure they are still "warmly welcoming" anyone who wants to attend.

Say your piece and get out.

pbrow

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I just don't have the lies to give...

by Captain Schmideo2 in

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a friend of mine (a jw) delivered a premature baby, and the outlook is grim.. she is posting updates on facebook, and where everyone else is offering prayers for them both, and how "jehovah loves them both very much", and i got...nothing.

nothing that would be comforting.

big man in the sky has zero to do with this, only medical science and chance will have any bearing on this.i wish i could lie convincingly to her and to myself and have something nice to say.

pbrow

In reality, those friends really have nothing to say. Jehovah loves both of you is essentially saying nothing. All you have to offer is you. Offer yourself in any way you feel able to.

At the end of the day what more can any of us offer other then ourselves.

pbrow

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Becoming the average JW (and what I found out about the average 'Joe Witness')

by Skepsis in

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until a couple of months ago i was an uber-spiritual pioneer, only having association with other pioneers, elders and others who would fill in the category i classified as "spiritually acceptable" friends.. but since stopping pioneering and having more time to think about my doubts and what i really believe (or better said, what i no longer believe), i have started getting to know other less spiritual brothers and sisters of the area.

in fact, my old friends are starting to forget me quite quickly, i must say.

so, i guess my next move in fading is becoming what i call the average witness.. and what did i discover?

pbrow

Steve2,

I have had that convo with my mother many times. I can also look back on my reasoning on why I did certain things as well. When you are in, even if you are in the fading class, it is very difficult to back away far enough to see that you still have the bias in your view. It was only when I mentally and formally got out did I see the stupidity of my own reasoning.

If you stay in, even if you are fading, it is very difficult to see how damaging it is to stay a member of this organization.

pbrow

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Becoming the average JW (and what I found out about the average 'Joe Witness')

by Skepsis in

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friends

until a couple of months ago i was an uber-spiritual pioneer, only having association with other pioneers, elders and others who would fill in the category i classified as "spiritually acceptable" friends.. but since stopping pioneering and having more time to think about my doubts and what i really believe (or better said, what i no longer believe), i have started getting to know other less spiritual brothers and sisters of the area.

in fact, my old friends are starting to forget me quite quickly, i must say.

so, i guess my next move in fading is becoming what i call the average witness.. and what did i discover?

pbrow

Skepsis...

I can offer you a tuesday night of just going to eat chinese with out having to go to the meeting!! As a bonus, if you choose to accept this offer you will also get your self respect, dignity and real friends! What do you have to do to accept this offer? Simply be your own person and do them!! But wait... there is more!!

For a limited time if you accept my offer today, I will throw in the ability to have pool parties including booze and bikini clad lady friends without EVER having to worry about anyone "telling" on you for being a normal human being! It wont matter if it is 8 months or 8 years down the road! I know this sounds crazy but it can really all be yours by simply walking out the door of your local kingdom hall and never looking back!

Piece of mind.... Get out and get some!