Posts by pbrow

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Interesting Thing My Little Girl Said Today

by pale.emperor in

my 3yo daughter lives with me 4 days and with her mum 3 days.

i have her tues, wed, fri evening and saturday all day.

which means my ex takes her to sunday and thursday meetings but she doesn't go door knocking on saturday because she's with me.. i dont mind - at the moment - because in a way i want her to know the jw jargon so we can talk about it without having to explain what it is, and i want her to compare the bullshit to the real world.

pbrow

Hey pale... sounds like even though you are still going thru it.... you are getting through to your girl. That is good to hear.

You have her majority of time?? that is awesome! Peer pressure only works with the dubs if they have monopoly on the kids time and friends. While a clean break with this group is best, it is not always an option as in your case. Keep up the good work of talking to and exposing her to worldly kids and activities. I like tiki's take on it. Go about your life and when jdub stuff comes up, pick your daughter's brain as to what you think and then offer up your life experiences. That is a pattern I have followed with my 13 and 15 year old kids and it has worked excellent!

pbrow

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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.

what about you?.

pbrow

on the way out...

you support any government's banning ideas because the people who hold those ideas suppress independent thinking.

Ironic

pbrow

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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.

what about you?.

pbrow

Hey mag... not sure if its a strawman...

Just my take on the questions. No ban. Take away tax exempt status but you cant ban ideologies. Generally I agree with the freedom that is granted to individuals in the US as regards to religion or being able to think and say things that are fucked up.

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If Jehovah God was in "Human Form" with his Theocratic Nation on earth in todays climate he would be facing Human rights issues.

by smiddy in

jw
friends

where does one start :.

he is guilty of genocide for the attempted and succesful ,killing off other nations not leaving man woman or child alive.. he is guilty of barbarism against women for not living up to his rules or regulations such as cutting off a womans hand for defending her husband in a brawl with another man.. he is guilty of condemning the whole human race for the misdemeanor of the first human pair for eating a fruit he said not to eat ?

a bit over the top dont you think ?.

pbrow

I thought I came up with " jdub" before I got on this site.

There are only so many words and phrases in the english language. We are bound to come up with similar terms even though we never conversed.

pbrow

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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.

what about you?.

pbrow

Other then taking away tax exempt status, you cannot ban or outlaw religion.

The laws in the US pretty much cover the behavior. It floors me how people want to take away liberty because they were hurt by a church.

Sure, there are cases that fall through the cracks, some followers will not seek medical treatment for themselves or their children but using the federal government to stomp out ideas is not the way to deal with bad ideas.

pbrow

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DA myself to relieve great pressure?

by Isambard Crater in

jw
friends

my lifelong mental illnesses, fuelled significantly by the borg, are very bad at the moment and result in me missing lots of midweek meetings, but i haven't missed a sunday in years except the occasional vacation.. the nature of my mental and emotional illnesses mean that i, as a physically in and mentally out pimo, take to heart very painfully admonishment from the platform to never miss meetings, preach all i can, and so on.. okay, i report 3 hours each month on average and no elder has ever said anything, but when they make comments on the platform, i feel such great guilt and shame, but also anger, as they do not understand my illnesses and when i do mention my situation to elders, they kind of minimise and joke about it.. some other sisters in my congregation started "officially" not attending midweek meetings a few year's ago because of their own health circumstances, but i know for a fact that some elders look down on them for this reason, not showing real understanding deep down even if they do on the surface.. i have reached the point where i want to hand in a da letter as a cry for help, or more like a clear indicator to them that when i say i'm not well enough to attend midweek, i really mean it and it's not just an excuse.

sure, i'm only 42, but i can still be too fragile to go out at night with a 30 minute drive both ways..

pbrow

Nicely said DOC

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DA myself to relieve great pressure?

by Isambard Crater in

jw
friends

my lifelong mental illnesses, fuelled significantly by the borg, are very bad at the moment and result in me missing lots of midweek meetings, but i haven't missed a sunday in years except the occasional vacation.. the nature of my mental and emotional illnesses mean that i, as a physically in and mentally out pimo, take to heart very painfully admonishment from the platform to never miss meetings, preach all i can, and so on.. okay, i report 3 hours each month on average and no elder has ever said anything, but when they make comments on the platform, i feel such great guilt and shame, but also anger, as they do not understand my illnesses and when i do mention my situation to elders, they kind of minimise and joke about it.. some other sisters in my congregation started "officially" not attending midweek meetings a few year's ago because of their own health circumstances, but i know for a fact that some elders look down on them for this reason, not showing real understanding deep down even if they do on the surface.. i have reached the point where i want to hand in a da letter as a cry for help, or more like a clear indicator to them that when i say i'm not well enough to attend midweek, i really mean it and it's not just an excuse.

sure, i'm only 42, but i can still be too fragile to go out at night with a 30 minute drive both ways..

pbrow

Isambard Crater,

Jdubs are awesome at creating adults with low self esteem and low self confidence. I am guessing that you are a born in.

You are 42 years old. No one is forcing you to stay. No one has a gun to your head. You will face very real consequences for leaving but you will gain your freedom and hopefully lose your guilt. Only you can determine if that is a worthwhile trade off. You have already shown us what you "gain" by being part of this organization.

"My dad is an elder and regularly checks on me and also talks to my local elders" Every born in here knows what that means and now that we are completely out.... we know how fucked up that statement is.

You are being piss pounded every day by this cult. That is not right, that is not normal. You are being judged at every sunday talk, by every two faced sister saying "we missed you at the meeting, by every idiot that tells you to focus on service or prayers or meetings. That is not right or normal. You are drowning in a sea of toxic sludge. Remove it from your life like the cancer it is.

We have been there, we have cared what these people think, we have endured the stares and the talks and nagging guilt that has been pounded in your head for last 42 years. Believe it or not... the stage you are at now is normal. Not knowing which way to go.... shows to me that you are internally questioning "which way do i go"

Take your time or leave tomorrow. You control that. Start with that control and do what you need to do for yourself.

pbrow

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DA myself to relieve great pressure?

by Isambard Crater in

jw
friends

my lifelong mental illnesses, fuelled significantly by the borg, are very bad at the moment and result in me missing lots of midweek meetings, but i haven't missed a sunday in years except the occasional vacation.. the nature of my mental and emotional illnesses mean that i, as a physically in and mentally out pimo, take to heart very painfully admonishment from the platform to never miss meetings, preach all i can, and so on.. okay, i report 3 hours each month on average and no elder has ever said anything, but when they make comments on the platform, i feel such great guilt and shame, but also anger, as they do not understand my illnesses and when i do mention my situation to elders, they kind of minimise and joke about it.. some other sisters in my congregation started "officially" not attending midweek meetings a few year's ago because of their own health circumstances, but i know for a fact that some elders look down on them for this reason, not showing real understanding deep down even if they do on the surface.. i have reached the point where i want to hand in a da letter as a cry for help, or more like a clear indicator to them that when i say i'm not well enough to attend midweek, i really mean it and it's not just an excuse.

sure, i'm only 42, but i can still be too fragile to go out at night with a 30 minute drive both ways..

pbrow

Should you DA? That is only a choice you can make.

What help are you going to get from an organization that believes that soon... any day now... right around the corner... god is going to take care of mental health issues? They literally have nothing to offer you!

Have you ever heard the phrase "when you realize you are digging yourself into a hole, the first step is to put down the shovel?"

Put the fucking shovel down!! You are shining example of what the org hopes to accomplish with people who have doubts. They have you doubting yourself!!

Make no mistake... you are by NO MEANS mentally out. They have you right where they want you! You still report field service time, you still care what these asshats say on the platform and you are making excuses for missing meetings.

You are trapped. You are in a locked room but MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS ONE THING.......Your locked room is locked from the INSIDE. You can open it whenever you want and leave it all behind!!

These people and this organization is toxic. You can cut them out whenever you want!!

pbrow

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Letter to my JW elder brother

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

i sent the following letter to my older brother, a jw elder in grand prairie, texas, who actively shuns me since i left the religion for conscientious reasons two years ago.. may 11, 2017. dear ronnie,.

in the opening scenes of the movie gone with the wind, a field worker hollers out, “”quttin’ time!” big sam protests, saying, “i’s da fo’man on tara.

i sez when it’s quittin’ time.

pbrow

my point of view is that understated "fuck offs" are the best!

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Letter to my JW elder brother

by Roger Kirkpatrick in

i sent the following letter to my older brother, a jw elder in grand prairie, texas, who actively shuns me since i left the religion for conscientious reasons two years ago.. may 11, 2017. dear ronnie,.

in the opening scenes of the movie gone with the wind, a field worker hollers out, “”quttin’ time!” big sam protests, saying, “i’s da fo’man on tara.

i sez when it’s quittin’ time.

pbrow

Hey Roger.. awesome letter. DA'ing is a powerful way to formally leave the group that you formally joined. You are literally taking back your power from the organization and telling them in no uncertain terms.. "I no longer give you any power over me" It was a huge weight off my shoulders.

pbrow