Since I have formally and informally left this church I have not sinned once.
Now that I think of it... even when I was in I never sinned.
pbrow
Posts by pbrow
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13So you've successfully faded
by ctrwtf inso i'm pretty sure my fade is complete.
haven't stepped foot inside a kh in 9 years.
but the concept of fading still makes me wonder.
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Whats that term??
by pbrow inso i am driving with my oldest the other day and she says..... i was reading the watchtower at the meeting and thought.... "the watchtower and awake are just like... what is that stuff that countries put out when they are at war?...
propaganda... yeah, they only give you one side of something and you have to listen to them because they are chosen".
i praised allah right then and there!!!
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Whats that term??
by pbrow inso i am driving with my oldest the other day and she says..... i was reading the watchtower at the meeting and thought.... "the watchtower and awake are just like... what is that stuff that countries put out when they are at war?...
propaganda... yeah, they only give you one side of something and you have to listen to them because they are chosen".
i praised allah right then and there!!!
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pbrow
So I am driving with my oldest the other day and she says....
I was reading the watchtower at the meeting and thought.... "the watchtower and awake are just like... what is that stuff that countries put out when they are at war?... propaganda... Yeah, they only give you one side of something and you have to listen to them because they are chosen"
I praised allah right then and there!!!
My oldest is truly out. She may have to go to meetings with her mother but mentally she is done with this church. I wish I had the smarts and the stones that this girl has at 15 years old!
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Interesting Thing My Little Girl Said Today
by pale.emperor inmy 3yo daughter lives with me 4 days and with her mum 3 days.
i have her tues, wed, fri evening and saturday all day.
which means my ex takes her to sunday and thursday meetings but she doesn't go door knocking on saturday because she's with me.. i dont mind - at the moment - because in a way i want her to know the jw jargon so we can talk about it without having to explain what it is, and i want her to compare the bullshit to the real world.
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pbrow
Hey pale... sounds like even though you are still going thru it.... you are getting through to your girl. That is good to hear.
You have her majority of time?? that is awesome! Peer pressure only works with the dubs if they have monopoly on the kids time and friends. While a clean break with this group is best, it is not always an option as in your case. Keep up the good work of talking to and exposing her to worldly kids and activities. I like tiki's take on it. Go about your life and when jdub stuff comes up, pick your daughter's brain as to what you think and then offer up your life experiences. That is a pattern I have followed with my 13 and 15 year old kids and it has worked excellent!
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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?
by minimus ini still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.
what about you?.
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pbrow
on the way out...
you support any government's banning ideas because the people who hold those ideas suppress independent thinking.
Ironic
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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?
by minimus ini still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.
what about you?.
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pbrow
Hey mag... not sure if its a strawman...
Just my take on the questions. No ban. Take away tax exempt status but you cant ban ideologies. Generally I agree with the freedom that is granted to individuals in the US as regards to religion or being able to think and say things that are fucked up.
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If Jehovah God was in "Human Form" with his Theocratic Nation on earth in todays climate he would be facing Human rights issues.
by smiddy inwhere does one start :.
he is guilty of genocide for the attempted and succesful ,killing off other nations not leaving man woman or child alive.. he is guilty of barbarism against women for not living up to his rules or regulations such as cutting off a womans hand for defending her husband in a brawl with another man.. he is guilty of condemning the whole human race for the misdemeanor of the first human pair for eating a fruit he said not to eat ?
a bit over the top dont you think ?.
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pbrow
I thought I came up with " jdub" before I got on this site.
There are only so many words and phrases in the english language. We are bound to come up with similar terms even though we never conversed.
pbrow
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Would You Outlaw Jehovah's Witnesses If You Had Your Way?
by minimus ini still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.
what about you?.
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pbrow
Other then taking away tax exempt status, you cannot ban or outlaw religion.
The laws in the US pretty much cover the behavior. It floors me how people want to take away liberty because they were hurt by a church.
Sure, there are cases that fall through the cracks, some followers will not seek medical treatment for themselves or their children but using the federal government to stomp out ideas is not the way to deal with bad ideas.
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DA myself to relieve great pressure?
by Isambard Crater inmy lifelong mental illnesses, fuelled significantly by the borg, are very bad at the moment and result in me missing lots of midweek meetings, but i haven't missed a sunday in years except the occasional vacation.. the nature of my mental and emotional illnesses mean that i, as a physically in and mentally out pimo, take to heart very painfully admonishment from the platform to never miss meetings, preach all i can, and so on.. okay, i report 3 hours each month on average and no elder has ever said anything, but when they make comments on the platform, i feel such great guilt and shame, but also anger, as they do not understand my illnesses and when i do mention my situation to elders, they kind of minimise and joke about it.. some other sisters in my congregation started "officially" not attending midweek meetings a few year's ago because of their own health circumstances, but i know for a fact that some elders look down on them for this reason, not showing real understanding deep down even if they do on the surface.. i have reached the point where i want to hand in a da letter as a cry for help, or more like a clear indicator to them that when i say i'm not well enough to attend midweek, i really mean it and it's not just an excuse.
sure, i'm only 42, but i can still be too fragile to go out at night with a 30 minute drive both ways..
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Nicely said DOC
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DA myself to relieve great pressure?
by Isambard Crater inmy lifelong mental illnesses, fuelled significantly by the borg, are very bad at the moment and result in me missing lots of midweek meetings, but i haven't missed a sunday in years except the occasional vacation.. the nature of my mental and emotional illnesses mean that i, as a physically in and mentally out pimo, take to heart very painfully admonishment from the platform to never miss meetings, preach all i can, and so on.. okay, i report 3 hours each month on average and no elder has ever said anything, but when they make comments on the platform, i feel such great guilt and shame, but also anger, as they do not understand my illnesses and when i do mention my situation to elders, they kind of minimise and joke about it.. some other sisters in my congregation started "officially" not attending midweek meetings a few year's ago because of their own health circumstances, but i know for a fact that some elders look down on them for this reason, not showing real understanding deep down even if they do on the surface.. i have reached the point where i want to hand in a da letter as a cry for help, or more like a clear indicator to them that when i say i'm not well enough to attend midweek, i really mean it and it's not just an excuse.
sure, i'm only 42, but i can still be too fragile to go out at night with a 30 minute drive both ways..
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Isambard Crater,
Jdubs are awesome at creating adults with low self esteem and low self confidence. I am guessing that you are a born in.
You are 42 years old. No one is forcing you to stay. No one has a gun to your head. You will face very real consequences for leaving but you will gain your freedom and hopefully lose your guilt. Only you can determine if that is a worthwhile trade off. You have already shown us what you "gain" by being part of this organization.
"My dad is an elder and regularly checks on me and also talks to my local elders" Every born in here knows what that means and now that we are completely out.... we know how fucked up that statement is.
You are being piss pounded every day by this cult. That is not right, that is not normal. You are being judged at every sunday talk, by every two faced sister saying "we missed you at the meeting, by every idiot that tells you to focus on service or prayers or meetings. That is not right or normal. You are drowning in a sea of toxic sludge. Remove it from your life like the cancer it is.
We have been there, we have cared what these people think, we have endured the stares and the talks and nagging guilt that has been pounded in your head for last 42 years. Believe it or not... the stage you are at now is normal. Not knowing which way to go.... shows to me that you are internally questioning "which way do i go"
Take your time or leave tomorrow. You control that. Start with that control and do what you need to do for yourself.
pbrow