Posts by pbrow

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Were you ever DF'd? For what and how long?

by QuestioningEverything in

i was df'd when i was 20 or so for fornication.

i got reinstated when i was 24. i had a son during that time and i was worried about us if we didn't get back to the fold and 'protection' of the organization.

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pbrow

godrulz, I was given the boot for the same thing. I had two seperate meetings for about three hours each. The threw up every red hering they could think of but still could not convince me that god gave two shts about me having a cigar w/ gpa couple times a year. I remember them comparing smoking to cocaine use. One of the ex bethalites asked if my children were to take up smoking would that change my mind. I told him that god would not care if when of age my children smoked a handful of cigars every year.

What kills me most now though is the groveling and "humility" i had to display to get back in a year before I finally said fcuk it! and turned my letter in.

"Yes, I think i can work on submitting to authority more" makes me furious now that those words came out of my mouth!

pbrow

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Question

by silver rhino in

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friends

if any witness were able to just walk away from the organization with no repercussions, in five years what percentage of witnesses would have walked away?.

pbrow

I feel that if all the reprecussions of being df'd or da'd the numbers above are probably a good guess. If they got rid of df or da then they would just be a regular church. Some wacky teachings here and there but then they would be a stand up religion. Secure enough in the fact that they dont get everthing right and people would not be forced to stay because of the very real fear of losing entire families and friends.

The dialouge of the few people celebrating christmas with the ones who didnt would be awesome! A huge thing that bothers me now is dubs have no problem judging others saying "how can you celebrate christmas, its a lie!" but then as soon as I bring up even the possibility that 1914 isa lie they want nothing to do with it.

I think it would be great, it would be difficult to call them a mind control cult anymore.

pbrow

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Hidden program in the new WT CD alerts Bethel who has visited apostate websites!!

by moshe in

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friends

just imagine, if that was a true statement- or maybe it is already in the works?

do you think it is possible?.

pbrow

They org only has to place an obscure reference to it in the terms of service and they will be nice and legal. After all, wouldnt the good dubs want to know when "another family member" may stray onto jwfacts.com so they can be assisted with all the lies that are told there?

pbrow

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Shutter island

by Voices in

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friends

okay so i just watched this movie....was he crazy??????

or did he just delude into the project and gotten labotomized?????

*confused*.

pbrow

i remember reading the book and about midway through thinking... If they make him the crazy guy I am gonna be pissed!

I was pissed!!

I still watched the movie though and thought it was pretty good.

pbrow

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green bay convention/pdfs

by pbrow in

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friends

standfirm, so you want pdf of the new publicatons.

so you want to post on this blog/forum/website whatever you want to call it.

we dont mind.

pbrow

Hey yknot,

I got no problem with my fellow sconnie. I also was a born in from the south east wisconsin area. When your ready to wake up your ready to wake up. It will happen, he is already this far for petes sake.

What floors me is that all these people will be at the convention, a good number with doubts but all afraid to say anything because of the very real consequences with regards to family and friends. I get that. I tell my family that are still in, it all starts with you, one person. If everyone just stood up and voiced the opinion, questioned what needed to be questioned. Make your friends and family prove to you why the dubs were chosen in 1919. Prove it to me. Prove it from the bible why you cant talk to me if "pbrow is no longer one of jehovahs witnesses" Please dear family member show me where the bible says "never talk to the one smoking a cigar/celebrating christmas" Make your family prove it and dont let up. Be tactful but dont back down. They cant do it and they will wake up. All these people who have plaques at home that say "lean on jehovah" just need to do it. He will take care of you. If your friends and family are worth it, you will be able to reach them.

If the dubs ever get rid of the df/da policy they will be an acceptable religion, no better or worse than all the rest. Stop breaking up families

pbrow

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green bay convention/pdfs

by pbrow in

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friends

standfirm, so you want pdf of the new publicatons.

so you want to post on this blog/forum/website whatever you want to call it.

we dont mind.

pbrow

standfirm, so you want pdf of the new publicatons. So what. So you want to post on this blog/forum/website whatever you want to call it. So what. We dont mind. We want you here if for no other reason than the "1st century organization" thread you started. If you get the pdf you wont help further the jwn agenda? So what. What is the agenda here? I am sure a large majority of people here would have no problem with you or anyone else posting every piece of light the society has put out. We are not afraid of people reading light by the society. Part of the agenda is allowing people a voice that they otherwise do not have in the real world. A voice that if spoken out loud would certainly put in jeapordy lifelong friendships and family ties. A voice that is not spoken of in an authoritative "my way or the highway" but simply an honest expression of "i simply dont believe in 1914/1919" (choose a belief)

I just read standfirms request for the pdfs at the green bay convention so thats the only reason I put his name in here. It could apply to any society apologist. Any apologist that converses back and forth with "outlaw" and then tries to hammer to death other doctrines that should be followed as presented by the society in my opinion is ..... suspect? (not sure if thats the right word). I havent been here long but Im pretty sure outlaw would be considered an apostate by all my former dub friends. Again, "society apologist" i dont care if you converse with apostates because in fact i dont consider "outlaw" an apostate.

It just SEEMS disingenious to me thats all. rambling over.

pbrow

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I am thinking about voting

by Bucholz in

so, i am thinking about voting for the first time in my life.

even though there is a questions from readers article that basically mentioned it is a conscience matter, we all know what the unwritten rule is.. problem is, even though i'm mentally out, i'm still physically in.

do you think that if i'm seen at the polling station by the witnesses i could suffer any consequences?

pbrow

Bucholz, if you feel like you can than by all means do it. It is a part of being a good citizen to your fellow man and it also helps to release the grip that the religion has on us. In my area voting for your third district alderman is seen as putting world rulers (or district alderman) over god, but like Sabatious said, the best thing about JW's is you can use the everchanging watchtower against them. The rules go back and forth so much even the good jdubs dont know what the latest direction is.

pbrow

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

pbrow

You have started things simply but have not stated your side of the debate. I wonder what the definition of the term "generation" was to the apostles in the first century? I wonder also if some were declaring 1874 as the date of christs return vs 1914. Which one would have been "false doctrine" back then?

I would say christ came to establish a personal relationship with each and every person that he made his covenant with. Each person who accepts that covenant is part of that "organization" if thats the term we are using in this thread. All these individuals are united/organized by love of christ and by his sacrifice for us. In what each of us think, say and do in our everyday lives we bear witness to our lord. If thats talking to people at their homes or place of work or simply by our actions with people we come into contact with every day we can teach who christ was and what he was about.

I hate the secular man made incorporated "organization" of "Jehovahs Witnesses". There are some fine people inside the secular organization of Jehovahs Witnesses that I beleive are indeed united in christ, but its not because they are "Jehovahs Witnesses" It is because they are united by christ sacrifice for us. Same as catholics and lutherens or baptists.

I still say troll, but that doesnt have to be a bad thing at the end of the day.

pbrow

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JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

by StandFirm in

this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

pbrow

undercover +1

Standfirm you should associate with whomever your bible trained conscience allows you to. Do not allow your conscience to be bound by anyone but christ. But you are blowing smoke pretending that your membership as a Jehovah's Witness is not in jeapordy if you make it known to your elders that you are fully participating in these blogs/forums/websites and you will do so as you please.

pbrow

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Undercover apostates...

by Maze in

i've observed some forum users here that claim to be active witnesses (even claims to be ministerial servants or elders) while duplicitously supporting apostates online.

my contention is this; why attend meetings and/or participate in the preaching activity when the second you divulge your apostate thinking into the congregation, you'll be disfellowshipped?

while this action taken may seem to be harsh, the outworking of events wouldn't be much different in one of christendom's churches.

pbrow

From my own experiences...

My parent stays in because the jdub unity is through fear, not through love. I lost alot of friends simply by writing a 3 sentance letter to the kingdom hall saying I dont agree with some policies. Friendships of 30 years wiped out (not from my perspective) in a heartbeat.

My parent cried for days when they realized jdubs teach that Jesus is not the mediator for them. My parent chooses to stay in for the social aspect friends, sons and daughters mothers who will be cut off if questions are brought out in the open. I dont agree with keeping them hidden by I am not my parent. They have their reason and they are no better or worse than my reasons. When you realize that this organization is not gods channel(nor is any other earthly organization) you are allowed to question it only if you are ready to lose a large percentage of family and friends.

Whether you stay or go is up to each individual. I will say though that you have a much better chance of making changes from within.

pbrow