being raised a catholic we had lots of crosses around the house.
when my family converted to this cult they were all removed and destroyed in case they had demons in them lol but at this juncture in my life i do not even know if jesus as the way he is portrayed in the bible was real.
yes a man named jesus did live and die 2000 years ago and probably on a cross but he was definitely not the son of god.
I thought there was a scan of the entire source material that the S.I book took out of context explaining that the "stauros" was indeed a stake or pole. The dubs jumped all over this because it did appear to back up their claims. The entire quote goes on to talk about how it was most likely that another pole was attached to the stake to make the "t" shape.
WTBTS quote mines the shit out of anything they can to back up their claims.
pbrow
it feels so good to be free from the jdub cult!
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Just read your bio..... pictures or it didnt happen!!
On a serious side though... I had a buddy whos parents converted when he was about 14 or 15 years old. Even as a born in myself i remember thinking how much that would suck to have all the cool things that worldly kids had and then to lose them just like that. He bought into it though and is still a card carrying member. Glad you were able to gtfo.
pbrow
this is a long shot to those with influence at bethel, particularly the governing body.
if you happen to be a lurker on this site.
please take into account the feelings of those who are affected or even hurting because of current teachings and policies emanating from watchtower.
TE,
Who cares about the watchtower? They are not going to change. You have one mission... for your daughter to grow up an independant, critical thinking strong woman. I think its awesome that you encourage her to get involved. Keep doing that! Sports, clubs, dances and everything that normal kids do. Not sure how old your daughter is but she will see this scam for what it is soon enough. Have open conversations with her, talk about the inconsistencies of this church when compared with other churches. Have kids from school over, allow her to go to other kids houses. YOU are the man in a male dominated religion. Use that to your advantage!!
She will get flack from her jdub friends and relatives but thats ok. Talk about it. Talk about what good influences are and what they are not. Religious preference does not determine what a good influence is. My youngest gets flack because she misses meetings and service because of her sports but guess what? SHE GETS TO PLAY SPORTS and be involved in NORMAL school activities. Like the scripture says.. bad association spoils useful habits. Give her some "bad association" and habits like service and meetings will be spoiled permanently!
pbrow
not long after learning ttatt, my hubby and i decided it would be best for us to fade.
his entire family is in, but not in the same cong.
we made it to the region convention and one sunday meeting after that.
Simon,
I am in complete agreement with you. If you want normal kids you cannot fade. The mindset of a JW poisons EVERYTHING. It is an incredible thing to realize that your children will never have to go through what we went through as born ins.
Get out now, cleanly and your kids will thank you for it.
pbrow
not long after learning ttatt, my hubby and i decided it would be best for us to fade.
his entire family is in, but not in the same cong.
we made it to the region convention and one sunday meeting after that.
Congrats!!!
Give those toddlers a normal life!! As a fellow born in you know how destructive the cult mindset is. I left when my kids were about the same age. They are teens now and have very healty active lives. You are giving them a priceless gift by leaving!
Awesome... I am very happy for you
pbrow
a hilarious stupid wa message is being circulated amongst jws in my area / country.. i had a hearty laugh at the ignorance and stupidity and brainwashed mentality, different people may express different emotions so you have been warned.
day one after armageddon it seems ages since we last heard the gunshots and screams, today has been really quiet.
the last few weeks have been sheer terror.
Hey stealth... dont be so shortsighted...
Just before the nuclear reactors started to meltdown...... pffft!! Jehovah fixed it!!!!
Praise Jah!!!!!!!!
pbrow
maybe it's shocking, funny, a good story, etc.. i was just watching the one below... i was shocked!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qmypu7mxo.
That nosedive into the baptism pool is AWESOME!!!
I think the whole "yelling apostate" act would not have worked 20 or 30 years ago because people were not able to get out of the bubble that surrounds most witnesses. Nowadays a 12 year old with an iphone can get on the internet and check things out so easy that it will most likely jar at least one person.... For that one person its worth it. Think about the firestorm of gossip this would cause if this started happening at many conventions.
Curiosity will kill the jdub or will at least wake him up a little.
pbrow
how many people have seen a person leave and return multiple times?
out of curiosity, what was the number?
My stepdad was df at least 3 times. Another dude, Rueben Guzman was out ~4 times. I think one of the madison halls close to us had a couple of 4 or 5 timers....
I really liked Rueben but I think about it now and say what is wrong with these guys??
pbrow
continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.
so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.
if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.
gognac... copy that. I was in a position where getting out(visibly/loudly) was the only option. No shame in knowing when to cut your losses. At the end of the day, you are out and you get to use your experience to help your kids and family! I have often relflected on what a valuable thing it is for my kids to not have to know what missing out on being a kid is. Glad your out.
pbrow
continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.
so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.
if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.
Cognac,
If you are da'd or df'd and allow the shunning you are still part of the system. The people of this church count on you to play the victim so that they feel better about the choice that they have made. We cannot help them feel better. This issue is not 1914, or the UN or something that really does not have an impact on their daily lives. Shunning their family is a major life changing incident. If there is any major issue that can help wake them up, shunning close family or friends is that issue! Make them feel uncomfortable about it, challenge them on it, ask them why THEY individually shun you! We cant make them wake up but if you really want to help them wake up, THIS IS THE ISSUE to do it with.
pbrow
