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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

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i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

pbrow

On May 5, 2015, customs authorities in Russia seized a shipment of religious literature containing Ossetian-language Bibles published by Jehovah's Witnesses. Russian customs officials in the city of Vyborg held up a shipment of 2,013 Russian-language copies of Bibles on July 13, 2015. Customs authorities confiscated three of the Bibles, sent them to an "expert" to study the Bibles to determine whether they contained "extremist" language, and impounded the rest of the shipment.[72]

A government that confiscates a pacifist organization's bibles is the definition of a totalitarian government.

Finkle... as a side note... do you think mein kampf or the nazi party should be banned as well? I only ask because here in the US neither the book or the party is banned. Their ideology is not taking over...not because our government has banned them but because the book is absolute shit and the ideology is fucking crazy.. and I can (and have) read the book. Our culture has deemed it extreme and has relegated it the few looney toon characters (sorry bugs bunny) that are left.

pbrow

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

pbrow

banning ideas has everything to do with emotional reasoning (and a money grab) If my family is blown up by christian scientologists who are studying to be jews it will not change the fact that it is a bad idea to ban ideologies.

Ideologies live and die by logic and reason. The athiest movement is small but it is making headway while the progress is being made despite the iron clad grip that religion had on the world just a few hundred years ago. Our progress as human beings is no doubt slow. That is ok. As Sam Harris has said "climbing down from trees and starting civilizations from sticks and stones is hard work" (loosely paraphrased)

Who do you want determining what ideas you can or cannot have? Is it ok because the russian government did it???

Maybe banning the jw religion will reinforce their beliefs. Maybe it will wake some up. If we cannot have the individual freedom of religion or from religion then we dont have much.

Recognize totalitarian governments when you see them and speak out against them when you can.

pbrow

and thanks sylvia.... fucked up things we do...

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

pbrow

When a child is allowed to die because his parents refuse medical treatment his parents have incredibly stupid ideas with terrible consequences. I was that parent. I personally spoke to my doctors and told them I did not want my 3 day old child to have blood transfusions when it looked like she may need them due to complications during birth. There is nothing in my life that I feel more ashamed about then that moment. My own ignorance and unwillingness to question authority led me to that moment. There is nothing more important then being able to question authority and think freely about ANY and ALL topics.

I would have been responsible to for my childs death. Not the organization. ME. Ignorant and unquestioning people kill and destroy lives. A free and open society allowed me to start questioning and reasoning that this religion was fucked up.

My government banning my ideas would not have helped

pbrow

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

pbrow

Hey orphan,

I am not in favor of any government BANNING any religion or faction of religion. The only way of truly getting rid of bad ideas(religions) is to keep them out in the open where they can dispelled.

There will never be a utopia of any set of ideas be they religious or secular. The price of allowing individual freedom is DIRT CHEAP compared to the price of giving your government the power to tell you what you can and cant believe and what church you can or cannot belong to.

If you want to combat the jw ideology you will have to get in line behind me but allowing the government to do it for you is not the answer of a freedom loving people.

pbrow

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

pbrow

Hey finkel..

Drawing a line in the sand to protect innocents is what a moral secular society does. (jw blood issue here in the USA) Banning ideas is what a overreaching totalitarian government does. If you were a jw or are a jw then you know how dangerous thought police are.

All revolutions, be they religious or governmental come from within, not from big brother dictating what its people should believe or should not believe.

Being accepting of a government banning ideas because your mom and dad wont talk to you is not a reason to support a totalitarian power grab.

pbrow

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

pbrow

Russia straight up bans a religion (ideology) and people here are happy about it? Your personal grievances against this religion are irrelevant.

What part of totalitarian thought police do you folks not understand? Do you really want a government telling you what organization you can or cannot belong to??

Can you imagine what would happen if Russia even attempted to ban islam?

pbrow

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Memorial

by Gorbatchov in

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what i noticed during the memorial is the over organised ritual aspect.

for a non jw is must be hard to follow.. for me, i noticed that during the memorial there is no attention for the historical jesus and the historical events.

it's all about the kingdom arrangement with it's central point, the governing body of jw.. do you noticed this also?.

pbrow

My kids go with their mother and I remind them every year...

What does the bible say you should do with the bread and wine?

What does the man on the stage say you should do with the bread and wine?

If you are going to be a christian who should you listen to?

In even better news... my oldest wants nothing to do with the jdubs and the younger on the same path.

praise allah!

pbrow

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It's about progress, not perfection...

by scratchme1010 in

i guess at this point in time and space i'm ok if there's an indication of things going in the right direction.. my jw father, who joined the jws in 1973 when i was 8, has always had all the characteristics of the stereotypical brainwashed born again weirdo.

as a jw he always felt the need to show that he was more devoted than the rest of the crop.

to him, life became very easy from that point on: "the bible", interpreted by the millions of wt publications, along with the information in the meetings and getting involved in all jw activities, were the answer to everything and anything in his life".

pbrow

Congrats.

Played the cards you were dealt your way.

pbrow

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Man answers the door naked when JW's appear..

by James Mixon in

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http;www.worlstarhipop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhmg115hx2qp8inyuo.went too far, man answers the door naked when jw's appear..https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=akj2w94el_a...oh hell search, went to far, man answers the door naked when jw's appear, a young black male......it was e-mail to me and i'am using the same address but not working for me,hopefully you will find it.

a young jw child was present, not good.......

pbrow

How dare he answer his own door at his own house.... the nerve of some people...

To all the idiots that are bringing their children to complete strangers houses on a regular basis and then complaining about it when they see a penis or breasts....

STOP BRINGING YOUR CHILDREN TO KNOCK ON COMPLETE STRANGERS DOORS!!

There... problem solved

ps... if you have kids you cant fade

pbrow

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Man answers the door naked when JW's appear..

by James Mixon in

jw
friends

http;www.worlstarhipop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhmg115hx2qp8inyuo.went too far, man answers the door naked when jw's appear..https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=akj2w94el_a...oh hell search, went to far, man answers the door naked when jw's appear, a young black male......it was e-mail to me and i'am using the same address but not working for me,hopefully you will find it.

a young jw child was present, not good.......

pbrow

Hey mixon... going door to door is not a good idea.... answering the door naked is just sweet justice.

I can just hear the complaint...

jdub - Yeah... officer this man just exposed himself in front of my kid!!

officer - oh that is horrible... where was the last place you saw this subject?

jdub - oh, I was out in the door to door ministry, sharing the good news of jc and the bible with my neighbors. (mentally counts time w/ officer) when I rang a doorbell and this householder just brazenly opened his door and his entire penacular region was showing!!

officer - wait... so you knocked on HIS door and he was in HIS house naked? have a nice day!

pbrow