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  Converts

  by Alive! in

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  i've noticed there seems to be a higher percentage of born-ins here....who are the converted jws?.

  does anyone care to share how they got converted?.

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  Halo

  I was young, not happy with the religion I had been brought up in and considering my options as I wanted to understand the Bible better. Enter the jws and answers that I thought I needed. I often think that without having accepted the Bible due to my own upbringing I wouldn't have been such an easy target. My examination of the organisation led to examining the Bible and my leaning as now atheistic. Unfortunately this all happened too far down the track and I had two adult baptised children by then. One has left the other is still in and now I have grandchildren being brought up in the organisation. My contact was through friends who became jws, somehow it's easier to trust friends.

  I see that for born ins there were no choices and I regret everyday that I taught my children to be jws. I made a choice that I thought would be good for my children, I couldn't have been more wrong. I can't believe it took me so long to leave.
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  Legitimate copy of elders book, Royal Commission

  by Halo in

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  2. beliefs

  if anyone wants a pdf of the elders book it can be downloaded from the exhibits for the royal commission in australia.

  this the link.

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

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  Halo

  If anyone wants a PDF of the elders book it can be downloaded from the exhibits for the Royal Commission in Australia. This the link

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx

  official site for the Royal commission, case study 29, found in exhibits along with lots of interesting letters etc.

  Not from an apostate source.
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  VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA | The Age newspaper | March 15, 2013 | Jehovah's Witnesses a 'cruel cult'

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the age newspaper | fairfax media | friday, march 15, 2013. jehovah's witnesses a 'cruel cult'.

  http://www.theage.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.html.

  christian sect the jehovah's witnesses - with 64,000 active 'disciples' in australia - are a cruel religion with no soul, according to melbourne cultbuster raphael aron.. his warning comes as the federal government considers tightening the definition of a charity to prevent some cults and quasi-religions keeping their tax free status.

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  Halo

  There is another article , check it out. I can't seem to put the link in here, but it is easy to find by searching for jehovah's witnesses on the newspaper site.
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  What group within the Witnesses has the highest drop out rate?

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you could categorise jehovahs witnesses into their various groups, i.e.

  publisher, auxiliary pioneer, regular pioneer, special pioneer, missionary, co, do, bethel worker, born-ins, etc etc, (and you can subdivide into as many groups as you wish) what group do you think has the highest drop out rate?

  i remember an ex ny bethellite saying that bethel cured him of the watchtower, and after reading the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/160509/1/warren-schroeder-from-bethel-on-freddy-kline-and-the-apostate-books my guess is that it would be ny bethellites, but i am interested to know if there is a consensus on this, or on any other group, or no group at all..

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  Halo

  Any of us can only add anecdotal evidence to this, therefore it is a reflection of what we have seen. I was a convert and almost all the people i know who are out. as I am, were also converts. The way I see it it is that I personally have already left one way (in my case another religion) so why wouldn't I be able to do it again. The basic reason I left and those I know is the same as the reason I left my former religion. They lie. Anyone who thinks that becoming a jw is a choice should read Steve Hassan's books. It's about recruitment, usually when someone is at a low ebb in their life, not choice.

  As a convert, without close connections in the bowels of the organisation, it took longer for me to see some things. To start with how was I, a convert to know that an elder's book existed, let alone what it contained. So much is hidden, I am still opening "Pandora's box" and finding more things I never knew about.

  I think that those we see who leave, are those we knew and we generally mix with like people. Converts are in a different class and we have to stick together because it is hard to breach the groups and cliques that already exist. So in defecting we also relate to each other. Same with you born ins, that was your crowd.
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  My Son and I have about 5 Months Left

  by bavman in

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  hello, i haven't been on here in awhile and it looks like a whole new crowd.

  i disassociated myself about 8 years ago.

  went through a divorce and shunning from most my family.

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  Halo

  Really feel for you.

  I'd read Steven Hassan's books for any and all ideas.

  In the meantime do things together to create great memories.
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  To circumcise or not to circumcise?

  by srd in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's a good one for you, looking at gen 17 and paul's subversive interpretive practices.

  http://contradictionsinthebible.com/is-the-covenant-of-circumcision-an-eternal-covenant-or-not/.

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  Halo

  Circumcision the exception(generally practised for religious reason) NOT the norm where I live, thank goodness. It should be a personal decision by the individual not the parents of the infant male.
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  As a JW, how did you feel about shunning?

  by jwfacts in

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  2. beliefs

  i am interested in the answers for a new poll.

  also, feel free to suggest other options, wording etc.agreed in full with the watchtower guidelinesagreed with shunning in general, but not for familywas stumbled by this practice but shunned as instructeddid not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people .

  for me personally, i did not agree with the practice and secretly associated with disfellowshipped people, even whilst at bethel.

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  Halo

  Didn't practice shunning, however when the possibility of having to shun landed very close to home, I investigated the practice and pondered the bulk of Christianity who didn't practice it. It took no time for me to conclude that it was an emotionally manipulative practice that I wanted no part of and the resons for it amounted to the gb being excessively legalistic/pharisical. The net result is that I distanced myself from the org, but the results of this practice have fractured my family.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses came round to my house

  by Chariklo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a couple of days ago, jehovah's witnesses came round to my house.

  nothing exceptional in that, you might say.

  it happens every day, all over the world.. but those of you who know me, or who have followed my story, know how traumatised i was when i finally got away from them, and you'll remember that i wrote a letter three or four weeks after walking away, ending all contact.

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  Halo

  Chariko, first hi.

  I have followed your story and love what you said to the first lot. I have to say that the default comment about it being the 'truth' is, I hink a panic response when they don't know what else to say. I had that speech when an elder tried to make an appointment for a shepherding call, I had politely refused and then basically told him I know where to find him if I need him. I am still, so far a faded dub and I understand the trauma all too well, but I too have come a long way.

  On a similar note, similar note, where my teenage child works is a member of our old congregation. He was asked if he used to go to the KH, to which he replied "Used to" with emphasis.

  I have seen from reading your story just how far you have come, Chariko. Love you putting them in their place. They just don't understand how anyone doesn't want to join them, or why people do well when they escape.

  Stay strong!
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  list of apostates published on the net--are you on it?

  by bigmac in

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  2. friends

  https://sites.google.com/site/silence1492/facebook-youtube.

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  Click on the site map tab then click the names (Richard Atkinson etc). What do you make of that?
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  Transfusion and Eating – no difference?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  transfusion and eating no difference?.

  today i added a new article to my blog addressing what watchtower says in public view about transfusion versus eating compared to what it admits in private about transfusion and eating.

  its short and sweet, and of course documented.

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  Halo

  I have a relative who had a serious medical condition and was tube fed for most of a year. The tube was not into a vein, but into his stomach as the purpose was to nourish his body. If he had been given blood, transfused into a vein he would have died due to lack of nourishment.

  Equating a blood transfusion with eating is a spurious illustration and is designed to deceive.