Dung:
All the more reason to adapt that policy now. that way when it does get worse we will already be in the habit of giving them the silent treatment they seem to be demanding from Bill and the lambs.
Kismet
it seems that we have many new aliases popping up right now.
all posting attacks against bill bowen personally.. note they cannot argue the facts of abuse occuring but decide to go after one of the faces that represent the whole issue at hand, bill bowen.. it just goes to show how desperate some people become trying to protect their high control religion regardless the cost to children and adult children of past abuse.. i would like to suggest that we adopt the same advice our parent's gave us while growing up as dubs.
just ignore the taunts, the insults.
Dung:
All the more reason to adapt that policy now. that way when it does get worse we will already be in the habit of giving them the silent treatment they seem to be demanding from Bill and the lambs.
Kismet
i've been gone a while and just wanted to say hi and i'm still alive.
things are kind of bad now, but i'll be back for good soon.
special hello to cowboy and xena.
April:
It is good to see you again. I hope all will be improving soon for you.
Thanks for stopping in, you have been missed.
Kismet
it seems that we have many new aliases popping up right now.
all posting attacks against bill bowen personally.. note they cannot argue the facts of abuse occuring but decide to go after one of the faces that represent the whole issue at hand, bill bowen.. it just goes to show how desperate some people become trying to protect their high control religion regardless the cost to children and adult children of past abuse.. i would like to suggest that we adopt the same advice our parent's gave us while growing up as dubs.
just ignore the taunts, the insults.
It seems that we have many new aliases popping up right now. All posting attacks against Bill Bowen personally.
Note they cannot argue the facts of abuse occuring but decide to go after one of the faces that represent the whole issue at hand, Bill Bowen.
It just goes to show how desperate some people become trying to protect their high control religion regardless the cost to children and adult children of past abuse.
I would like to suggest that we adopt the same advice our parent's gave us while growing up as dubs. Just ignore the taunts, the insults. Just walk away.
It is so tempting to take shots at the ignorant ones who come in trying to discredit the individual, but let's not feed the trolls.
Silence is what they demand from the victims, let's return that silence to them.
Don't feed the trolls.
My 2 cents
Kismet
as a mystical christian, i am just as distressed about child molestation as is mr bowen.
however i wonder about this man's motives.
why did he choose to handle his row with the witness organization in this way?
Hlda:
For several years I waited on God to fix the problems within the Organization. I struggled at the highest levels to instigate change from within. I sat and watched children die due to the blood issue. Two of them dying in front of me.
While at Bethel, I received report after report of elders abusing the flock emotionally and occasionally sexually. I saw the underbelly of this group self-proclaimed God's Chosen People, The Watchtower Society, and let me tell you, it isn't pretty.
Are you now saying to the children who have been abused, "Shhhhh just endure the abuse. Remain quiet, Jehovah loves those covering over a matter?" Meanwhile these children are emotionally scarred for life. Yes, let's just wait on god.
I am sorry but there are thousands of cases of abuse within the Jehovah's Witness religion in the States alone. How much longer do you feel the silent lambs should wait on God? How many Jews died waiting on God in 1941-45. How many children have to wait on this same God to end their suffering at the hands of perverse and mentally sick people?
How long do they wait?
This issue is larger than Bill Bowen and it is not about Bill. He is the first to admit it. If however by his actions he can turn the high beams on this dark and closely hidden secret, more power to him!
If you cannot understand the anger of some here, I would encourage you to read some of the personal experiences found on this forum. Most of us have had that line ("wait on Jehovah") shoved down our throats and used as a controlling device against us by the Elders and the Society.
Forgive us if we flinch when we see the same whip that has been used against us.
Kismet
ha, never thought you'd see a post with that as a title...... anyway, i thought credit should be given where credit is due, for his removal of my personal pic when someone who calls themself "bigdaddy" posted it in a thread on kent's site.
i don't know who this "bigdaddy" person is, or how they got my pic.
how strange they weren't "big" enough to use their real name.
Imbue:
I getthe feeling I know you froma previous incarnation of yourself..however, that being said, I am wondering if oyu could clarify your post above
...shouldn't throw stones a in glass house...Was this directed at Wendy? TeeJay? Prisca? All the above?
Regardless, I am curious if you feel it is ethical to post the picture of someone known to be inactive. Of course you (collective you not you individual) realize that by doing so, you are identifying someone to the WatchTower and they can thus form a judical committee getting them disfellowshipped and shunned by their family.
How would you catagorize someone who would do such a thing? What would you say about someone who would post a pic, full mailing address, and phone number of an inactive person?
I noted that the objection to the picture being posted was not about the low life scum that would do such a thing but rather that it just wasn't welcome there. It was almost encouraged to post it elsewhere. Very telling comment IMO about the moral ethics or lack thereof of some people.
I look forward to your clarifying as to who your comment was directed.
Kismet
hey, .
this is dana.
i'm at my sister's for the weekend.
No Cowboy you misunderstand.. I said I prefer NOT to be known for being a quick draw... Itwas ...uhhh .. ummm a friend..yeah yeah that's it!!! a friend I know has that problem....
grrrrrrr
Kismet
well now we have it, what appears to be the pre-emptive strike from wt.. as of this friday three families who appeared on the dateline program have been informed judicial committees have been setup with a one week notice and it is alleged that they have been causing "divisions" within the organization.
i got my letter today, barbara anderson got hers yesterday and the other family earlier this week.. if you were a pr firm would you think it to be a good idea or a bad idea to df everyone a couple of weeks before the dateline program airs?
what do you think the american public will think of such a move?.
Yeru:
Two things:
1. you might want to delete the family name used in your post. They had deleted it from their posts a couple of days ago. Just a heads up.
2. Very cool signature graphic! LOL
Kismet
hey, .
this is dana.
i'm at my sister's for the weekend.
Dana:
Sorry about the coffee and also the sore back. Offering you a clean towel to wipe up.
It isn't surprising..all that banging and slamming up and down you were doing. The key is all in the legs and thighs. More muscle control there ...it feels comforting and shows who is control when your thighs and legs are pressing firmly.
Also keeping your upper body more relaxed, moving with the motion, becoming one fluid movement...It is less jarring on the back that way, but when you are really going for it, the slamming is inevitable. Don't worry now that you are starting to do it daily, it will get better.
I was going to suggest asking Tracy for advice, but now that she is married she probably doesn't have the time, nor the desire to do it very often. {{Shrug}}} that happens sometimes.
Kismet
hey, .
this is dana.
i'm at my sister's for the weekend.
well I ain't no Cowboy. The ladyfolk just done fall at his feet, I will bow to his ability to teach you.
Kismet - who would rather not be known as a quick draw.... LOL
hey, .
this is dana.
i'm at my sister's for the weekend.
Well it's like I told you, you can never have too much of that. The trouble walking thing means you weren't used to it or just doing it too hard. When you next come up here I'll do it with you and show you some techniques and better positions that I learned.
I used to do it quite often but am a little out of practice so it would do me good as well.
Talk to you soon
Kismet