Palmtree, Thanks for the quote on that article. THAT is what is pissing me off. The wedding ring thing. Halloween and christmas do NOT mean the same thing today as they did back then.
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December AWAKE entitled: The Truth About Christmas
by AwSnap ini just found an envelope outside my door.
as i picked it up, it felt a little heavy.
inside, there is an awake, and print-out, and a hand written note:.
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I was BANE...I have an apology to most of you.
by Botzwana ini was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
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Yes flipper, I do hate that phrase because it can excuse ANY sort of behaivior. I goto complain to someone and it's...Oh don't worry, we are all imperfect!
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I was BANE...I have an apology to most of you.
by Botzwana ini was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
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Well DiamondIzz, I came to this site initially not knowing it was an apostate forum. I registered and signed up because the name IS Jehovah's witness.net ...I would change the name of this site but I have already said all that before. Once I got here and found out what was going on, I blasted away with both barrels. The strong facts you allude to are not to me. I have no problem with either one. I have already stated what my hangups are now that bother me. Contrary to one's might think here, I don't believe the apostates have it all right either. This to me is really about the things I have already talked about. Neither group is totally 100% right.
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I stopped going to the Kingdom Hall
by FloridaPerry inin late 1976, i had just turned 17. everyone in my family dropped out over the next few years, except a a brother who has been going strong his whole life.
my mother went back a couple of years ago and i live in the same town as she does and she keeps talking to me about it.
reading this forum, it sure brings back a lot of memories.
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Thanks for opening up Florida...I am feeling the same way. I believe this will haunt me for the rest of my life. The doom and gloom etc.
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I was BANE...I have an apology to most of you.
by Botzwana ini was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
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Yknot, the congregations he attended are in Atlanta GA. His father is a VERY well known witness, some would say fanatical and really rode his kids hard. He had two sons. One is still serving and the other one Randy has left. It's Randy I would like to talk with.
It's funny some mention darkside. Revenge of the Sith is one of my favorites. To see anakin turn against the jedi is interesting. The points the Emperor made WERE right. They didn't trust Anakin. Mace said so way before he turned.
I have read where ones when in a religion for so long and have been struggling to do the right thing go absolutely hog wild when set free. I bought some of those christmas cakes today and had a blast eating them. I never would've touched them before.
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I was BANE...I have an apology to most of you.
by Botzwana ini was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
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How does my wife feel? Well I never married a witness in the first place. I was in the world before I became one and had no idea how to get a witness gal. You have to have a chaperone everywhere you go and I felt I couldn't make a good decision. So I started to date a worldly gal and got her a study. We married a year later and she is still studying. She hates organized religion too. I married a very bad tempered latin woman. I don't know what it is with me and latin women. They have fire in their souls. They LOVE a good fight. I am actually considering divorcing as I can't take it anymore either. It seems as if I am getting tired of it all. The problem is is that I genuinely like some of the brothers still. Others not so much. I don't think I am ready to read the Franz books. As someone said, baby steps.
A witness ripped me off for some money and there is a case opened up against her with the elders. What to expect?
I know of one apostate from my childhood. He was a brother and of course it made the rounds that he became an apostate. I would like to know how to contact him. I don't think it appropiate if I say his name here. But If I ask the brothers how to contact him they surely wouldn't tell me.
GaryNeal, I said that because it's easy for me to say that. I don't have children and have never wanted them. My father did die though. They wanted to give him blood and I refused but he died 5 minutes later anyways AND he would have had to be transported to another hospital to do the surgery but damn them witnesses if they didn't the following year say it's ok to accept certain blood fragments. That pisses me off.
Another brother who I considered a very close friend is such an ass. He told me he won't let brothers on the platform that wear white socks...What hypocrisy! Socks are NOT what it is about. And this jackass is an Elder.
Thanks for the welcomes.
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I was BANE...I have an apology to most of you.
by Botzwana ini was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
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Sabastious, YEah they ask you on the new Bethel form. Do you play violent videogames? The brother didn't send his in on his advice from the Elders because they thought he wouldn't get accepted if he had that on there. I told him to fudge it. His conscience bothered him to do that.
Outlaw, I knew you would give me grief over this. So ok, let it out now. Get it out of your system. I am sure you, Issac, and MsJones are going to have plenty to say. I never played you and pretended. I was sincere at the time. I apologize to you if I ruffled your feathers but you guys are just as guilty. You rode me pretty hard too.
Grandma, It's alot of little things. Like the society's illustration. Alot of little bricks eventually make a house. Even when I was busting my hump I thought I would be killed at Armaggedon. Then I thought of the Egyptians...They had no idea who God was nor his laws etc. They just decided to leave with the Israelites. Jah spared them. Hopefully Jah will spare those ones that leave the org because of the crap inside it. I am tired of the elitist thinking. Witnesses are better than everyone else kind of thing. If I am destroyed, so be it. At least I can say that I tried to tow the company line. My wife thinks I am the perfect husband and says no way will God destroy me. But the witnesses got me thinking that if you miss a meeting, God's wrath is coming. I am tired of that negative thinking. Tired of living in fear.
How do you avoid the dreaded sheparding call? They already came once to encourage me...Although it was really a "you know what you should be doing" kind of talk.
Coffeehousegirl, Thanks for your story. I am overwhelmed with feelings right now. Really I don't know what to do next.
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I was BANE...I have an apology to most of you.
by Botzwana ini was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
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Misery, I probably read the same info for years but this time it hit me. I would have to look to find it but you know we get our WT's months in advance and I would always study them in advance as soon as we get them to see when Armaggedon would be announced...I know stupid right? But this one talked about God's righteousness and that in addition to ALL the other stuff we have to do to be clean in God's eyes we also NOW have to ONLY focus on his righteousness. It's like I am a pioneer, I am in charge of the sound and in good standing but that is NOT enough...I NOW have to be really concerned about this. The article suggested that a person could be doing everything but if he failed in this one area he wouldn't make it. Then Thanksgiving rolled around. My wife and I were talking about the turkey, stuffing etc. that we haven't had in forever. 16 years. Then I thought about my worldly family and how I never called them or paid attention to them because to call them on Thanksgiving or Christmas "supported" their worldly ideas. I said screw it. Call them. Best call to them in a long time. Then I thought that I was trying to be obediant to God by cutting off my family. It bothered me. I started thinking about all the things I cut off from me that I missed. I got depressed and angry.
It got to be a combination of little things....This one pioneer brother. GREAT brother. SO loyal etc. A great representation of what a lover of God is. He can't go to Bethal because he played a violent videogame. God I thought...That is so frickin strict! That one bothered me to no end.
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I was BANE...I have an apology to most of you.
by Botzwana ini was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
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Now I am like you guys. I would blast you for hiding in the org etc. and saying why didn't you have the guts to leave. But when you have been in for 16 years that is all you know. That is your whole family. Even though they never invited me to get togethers etc....But I digress. How do you make worldly friends? I understand some of your points now. The reason to lie to let others know you are still there to keep the friendship. I don't live in the U.S. anymore but have friends there. I would lose them if they found out.
I still believe most of the teachings etc. Trinity, hellfire etc. But where it screws me up is when I see a little mexican ardent catholic woman who is definetely more righteous than me doing the sign of the cross etc. who has never had a bad bone in her body...That jehovah is going to destroy her for that? JUST because she didn't accept a Bible study with the witnesses? Sounds illogical. And it sounds cruel if Jehovah really thinks like that.
I have horror stories but I always looked the other way in a sign of "well, they are imperfect"....I guess I finally snapped with the article of the WT that one day.
What do you guys do without the org? I have enjoyed just staying home watching TV and not preaching SO MUCH! It does feel a little liberating. I am just looking out for the sheparding call.
I am not saying I am done yet. But for the first time in my life I feel like I don't want to go back.
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I was BANE...I have an apology to most of you.
by Botzwana ini was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
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I was Bane and I think I got banned because everytime I tried to log in I couldn't. I was defending the society as best as I could. Something has happened in the last few months. It all started with a watchtower a few months ago. I thought I was doing everything right. Then the magazine says...Ah ah, you have to do THIS too in order for Jehovah to love you. I haven't been back in two months.
So I apologize to all that I got under the skin of. Issac etc.
I have been having some real issues with the teachings. The big one for me and it might make some of you laugh but it is wedding rings. Wedding rings are pagan. I had this talk with an Elder. He says they aren't pagan anymore because today they mean something different....Well...SO DOES HALLOWEEN AND CHRISTMAS! Hallween USED to be pagan! I don't think it means the same as it did when it was created. How come this isn't allowed now? Now it is JUST about kids getting candy. The whole burning your kids in the fire and Samhain is not done anymore. To me, Christmas is the same thing. It is just about kids being happy about presents. Christmas is beautful!
I hope I can vent here and not be scorned.
BANE aka Botzwana now...