...no one can be told what the WTS is... you have to see it for yourself...
The Red Pill's on its way.
Posts by Vidiot
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12This newbie here just ordered Crisis of Conscience!
by haboob48 injust ordered cofc today!
can't wait to read it, and hope i can figure out how to get my family member to read it.
btw my family member was a babtized jw years ago..............they are just going through this crap a 2nd time voluntarily!
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I wonder what the WTS thinks of the Whitney Heichel Memorial on Facebook
by undercover inwhile not so uncommon in the 'real' world, this is quite the phenomenon for jws... an 'official' whitney heichel memorial page on facebook has been set up and people from all over the world are posting condolences.. personally, i think it's a good thing.
but knowing how the wts has tried so hard to limit jws from using social networking, i can't help but think that they are not happy about such a turnout of responses from jws from around the world to a facebook page.
i wonder if they'll bite their tongues and ride it out, knowing this a tragedy of epic proportions in their community, or will they amp up the rhetoric of the evils of social networking?
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undercover - "...knowing how the WTS has tried so hard to limit JWs from using social networking, I can't help but think that they are not happy about such a turnout of responses from JWs from around the world to a Facebook page."
If I had to guess, I'd say they were disgruntled that the FB page "glorifies" an imperfect human, and doesn't advocate "Jehovah's Kingdom" enough.
I can't follow this whole thing too much; whenever I see pictures of that smiling girl's pretty face, I get so f**king mad at Holt, I wanna pound that flat piggy schnozz of his right down his goddamned throat... 21 years old; not even two years married... f**king shitballs... arrgh!!!!!!
sir82 - "...the subsequent bad publicity from the inevitable leak...would be even worse than anything being posted now."
The WTS top brass have a 50s mindset; any publicity is good publicity, as far as they're concerned.
Bad publicity just feeds the persecution complex.
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Why does the WBT$ protect
by punkofnice ini'm not a great one with word structure so bear with me.. so, we've often discussed how the wbt$ hides paedophiles in the congregations and pays out of court settlements to protect the name of the 'watchtower'.
(projectile vomits).
could it be that the problem is more tied in with the gb themselves?.
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Vidiot
sir82 - "If there is irrefutable evidence that JWs are just like any other religious organization, with their fair share of pedophiles, murderers, thieves, drunkards, etc., then why should a JW continue to belong to them and, perhaps just as importantly, continue to contribute to the organization? JWs as an organization are far less fun and interesting and fulfilling than Catholics & Baptists and Methodists & Lutherans & you name it. The one thing they've apparently got is 'hey, we're more spitirually pure than everyone else out there'. Take that away, and why would anyone stick around?"
You nailed it.
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(Male) Nurse Ratchet and Life in Hell
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Dogpatch - "I have all my mental faculties back..."
* sigh *
I wonder what that's like...
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I hope you die...
by WatchTowerofBabel ini'm curious.
(true in both senses).
when i was a child i used to hope celebrities i liked (or wanted to boink) died before armageddon.
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Vidiot
Evidently, its truthiness is happifying!
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Any gamers here?
by poopsiecakes ini can't stop playing skyrim.
how did this happen?
i was never into this stuff before and never thought i would be.
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poopsiecakes - "Have you ever walked through a town with no clothes on? The comments are hilarious...just sayin'."
Um, three questions...
1) How often do you do this?
2) Can you please let us know ahead of time?
3) Do you believe that life should imitate art?
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I hope you die...
by WatchTowerofBabel ini'm curious.
(true in both senses).
when i was a child i used to hope celebrities i liked (or wanted to boink) died before armageddon.
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Vidiot
I remember that; even as a child, it always felt really weird to feel sad that a non-JW had died young but relieved to know their resurrection was guranteed.
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So, how do you pamper yourself when you're poorly?
by Lozhasleft ini've got a throat infection.
i came home today and went for broke.
on my lovely king size bed with: cushions, cosy blanky, ipad, kindle, tv remote, candles, hot toddy, phone, and lots of wallowing self pity.
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Vidiot
I prefer a firm yet gentle two-handed approach... but it always requires very long strokes, if you catch my meaning... sometimes hand lotion is usefu...
Oh, wait; you mean when you're sick!
Uh... yeah, same as you...
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Something occurred to me
by Vidiot inthe conti case is a game-changer; that much is certain.. its also pretty certain (to a lot of us at jwn, anyway) that the wts:.
believes they have the moral high ground and thusly are in the right.... arent going to significantly change their child abuse-related policies any time soon.... dont really think theyll actually lose their appeal.. .
it should be obvious to anyone by now that one of the most significant and unavoidable characteristics of hierarchal, authoritarian religions (no matter what faith template they subscribe to) is a deeply entrenched problem of sexual victimization, especially of children and young people.
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sabastious – “I think that the Watchtower is a designed missile aimed at destroying the free world.”
More like a small, leaky lifeboat that mistakenly believes it’s an ark; plus they’re too minor in the world scene to be able to destroy… well… anything, really.
I don’t blame you for feeling that way, though.
sabastious – “I don't think it was designed for the long haul or otherwise they WOULD have sought out powerful friends like you say.”
You’re dead right on this one.
It’s one of the major paradoxes of all apocalyptic millennialist religions; in order for any group to truly survive, it needs to formulate long-term plans, but the WTS absolutely has to behave short-term (as though the End is right around the corner), otherwise they undermine their own credibility to anyone with half a brain.
sabastious – “What they do is make freedom of religion and free speech look bad on a world scale (they could have Al Qaeda links or other anti-free speech/religion extremist groups).”
All fundys make freedom of religion and freedom of speech “look bad”. Quite effectively. It works against them in the long run, though.
I’m pretty sure the WTS doesn’t have any “worldy” extremist or terrorist ties, BTW. High control groups usually view anybody on the outside with suspicion and subtle (or not-so-subtle) disdain.
sabastious – “They want religion to be under attack because it solidifies the programming in their members giving them immense power.”
Yes, I think they do; it plays well to the collective persecution complex of the R&F.
sabastious – “… they have been saying it will happen for so long, all their members are waiting to be put in concentration camps so they won't care what happens.”
Maybe, maybe not.
Their eschatology has explicitly stated that global persecution of JWs will be the final endgame of the Great Tribulation (not the opening salvo), and Fred Franz’s End Times script is still essentially viewed as WT canon, but that might be a minor point.
As someone on this board once pointed out (Outlaw, I think), today’s JWs are pretty soft; they’re not the martyrs, spiritual warriors, and heavy-hitting Biblical scholars of the WTS’s Golden Age…
Even in the unlikely event of mass JW internment for whatever reason, do you honestly think the average Witness-on-the-street would walk calmly and confidently into that in this day and age?
sabastious – “The Watchtower, IMO, have been purposefully allowing and perpetuating atrocities within their ranks and are inching towards a preplanned directive.”
I’m pretty sure the GB aren’t a bunch of mustache-twirling comic-book supervillains; they don’t need to plot nefariously to advance an agenda. What's more, it isn’t necessary to attribute malicious intent to something can be explained by simple incompetence or character flaws.
What is certain is that the WTS is an authoritarian high control group.
As such, the dysfunctional and antisocial tendencies of the WTS are inevitable and unavoidable aspects of that fundamental defining characteristic. Once the group started down that path under Rutherford, the outcome was pretty much set; Jaracz simply pounded the last nail home.
sabastious – “The Western World needs to band together and redefine religion and then do away with any who don't make the cut.”
That’s already happening, I think; simply a product of 21st Century society’s natural evolution.
Any kind of organized mass movement is probably unnecessary (maybe even counterproductive) at this point.
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Something occurred to me
by Vidiot inthe conti case is a game-changer; that much is certain.. its also pretty certain (to a lot of us at jwn, anyway) that the wts:.
believes they have the moral high ground and thusly are in the right.... arent going to significantly change their child abuse-related policies any time soon.... dont really think theyll actually lose their appeal.. .
it should be obvious to anyone by now that one of the most significant and unavoidable characteristics of hierarchal, authoritarian religions (no matter what faith template they subscribe to) is a deeply entrenched problem of sexual victimization, especially of children and young people.
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Panhandlegirl – “…don't you think that breaking a law by requiring two witness to a child abuse crime, would trump freedom of religion? A religion should not be allowed to break the law and put children in harm's way. The authorities have taken children away from JW parents in order for them to receive blood transfusions.”
I'm not certain the “two-witness rule” is explicitly breaking any laws per se, but you’re right, the safety and health of private citizens - particularly minors - trumps “freedom of religion” more and more on a legal and societal level; that’s why that extremist Mormon breakaway sect was smacked, and smacked hard a few years back.
Hmm. Come to think of it, a minor example was made, there, but perhaps it wasn’t enough. Even though the WTS is still small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, it still is relatively higher-profile that the FLDS was and thusly would serve that purpose more effectively.
Anyways, like the transfusion issue, significant legal precedents have already been set, in the US and Canada. Not to mention that trying to play the clergy-penitent card has become essentially useless, due to the fact that not only have the WTS historically insisted that all JWs are ministers and thusly have no clergy, but more importantly, JCs have three elders, scrupulous records are kept, and all relevent info is forwarded to WTHQ; the claim of "penitent confidentiality" is rendered moot.