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  Why do some people who were trapped in the WT and wake up, still believe in the Bible God who allowed them to be deceived for years.

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why do some people who were trapped in the wt and wake up after much frustration and anger that they were lied to, still believe in the bible god who allowed them and their families to be deceived and trapped for years.

  i have an acquaintance who is a lot older than me and for the past 30 years he has been out of the watchtower religion and is sola scriptura.

  sola scriptura is a theological doctrine that posits the christian scriptures as the sole infallible source of authority for christian faith and practice.

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  PistolPete - "...No 607, means no last days. No last days means not being part of the Great Crowd that will survive the end of this system of things. Maybe just maybe, there is no paradise earth. That's kind of hard to swallow if a person has believed that for 40 or 50 years."

  Yup.

  And as HTBWC and I were saying, accepting evolution can't help but have a similar cascade effect...

  ...evolution means no Adam and Eve in Eden, which means no Adamic Sin, which means no need for a Ransom, which means - at best - their understanding of Jesus' "sacrifice" is flawed, or - at worst - unneccessary...

  ...undermining one of the integral foundations of Christianity itself (from their POV).
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  Why do some people who were trapped in the WT and wake up, still believe in the Bible God who allowed them to be deceived for years.

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why do some people who were trapped in the wt and wake up after much frustration and anger that they were lied to, still believe in the bible god who allowed them and their families to be deceived and trapped for years.

  i have an acquaintance who is a lot older than me and for the past 30 years he has been out of the watchtower religion and is sola scriptura.

  sola scriptura is a theological doctrine that posits the christian scriptures as the sole infallible source of authority for christian faith and practice.

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  HowTheBibleWasCreated - "It does not take long at all! One night! That was all it took to truly investigate evolution. Why? Because the bible reading in Genesis was wrong.. to many archeological and textual holes."

  I'm guessing you were already primed for it, even if you weren't full aware of the fact.

  Looking back, realizing that evolution was a reality was my rubicon, too.
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  Why do some people who were trapped in the WT and wake up, still believe in the Bible God who allowed them to be deceived for years.

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why do some people who were trapped in the wt and wake up after much frustration and anger that they were lied to, still believe in the bible god who allowed them and their families to be deceived and trapped for years.

  i have an acquaintance who is a lot older than me and for the past 30 years he has been out of the watchtower religion and is sola scriptura.

  sola scriptura is a theological doctrine that posits the christian scriptures as the sole infallible source of authority for christian faith and practice.

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  pistolpete - "I've actually been thinking about this. From tons of experiences I've read, it seems that when a jw finds out something that they believed is wrong like 607 BCE being a wrong date, It takes quite a while to digest. Sometimes close to a year of research. Not because it's hard to understand, but because of the shock of finding out they were wrong. It's hard to believe because of all the implications that it entails."

  Holy shit, yes.
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  A Generation Change Again???

  by BereanThinker7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have heard a few whispers that once again they are going to be changing the generation teaching.

  does anybody have on info on this?.

  i would love to be able to hit my family with a. .

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  "People laugh behind our backs... (overlapping generation)

  Just 'cause we won't see the cracks... (overlapping generation)
  

  No retirement plan, I'm told... (overlapping generation)

  Hope I die before I get old... (overlapping generation)"
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  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Wrong Regarding Staying Out of Politics?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we were told we were part of the world if we got involved in politics.

  if we had employment that had political involvement we were instructed to get another job.

  we were told we might be considered disassociated if we voted and then it became questionable.

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  minimus - "Are Jehovah’s Witnesses wrong regarding staying out of politics?"

  Well, considering how wrong they've been about everything else...
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  An exchange with a JW about the blood doctrine.

  by Giles Gray in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently had an online exchange with an active jw about the blood issue.

  he originally wanted to talk about the potential dangers of transfusions but i pointed out that the risks of transfusions have nothing whatsoever to do with the reason that jws reject blood, and therefore i didn’t see any value in debating that topic.. not able to let it go, he then insisted that the blood mandate was a common theme throughout the bible, quoting acts 15:29.. it’s been a while since i looked into the subject, and i admit i’m now a little rusty when it comes to recalling where to find biblical quotes, but i remembered that there are passages in both the new and old testaments that, when read in the context of the time they were written, call into question the watchtower’s rendition of acts 15:29.. i offered to do some bible research and get back to the jw, suggesting that rather than letting our discussion become combative, we could have an informative and interesting exchange of ideas.

  i reassured him that i was not looking to undermine his convictions, in fact i was more than happy to be corrected if my thinking was wrong.

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  Kudos on the effort and research.

  Assuming that logic and reasoning will even resonate in the first place, the sheer volume of it will probably just go over the head of any loyal rank-and-filer, though.

  I could be wrong.
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  Australia: Jehovah’s Witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  australia: jehovah’s witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors.

  https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/03/jehovahs-witnesses-redress-scheme/.

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  Well surmised, Sea.

  They're still trying to frame the narrative in their favor.

  Points for consistency, I suppose.
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  Australia: Jehovah’s Witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  australia: jehovah’s witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors.

  https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/03/jehovahs-witnesses-redress-scheme/.

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  Vidiot

  IMO, the real issue is...

  ...why is holding onto their tax-exemption so damned important?

  It couldn’t possibly be because the Org’s actual survival is dependent on it, could it?

  
  
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  Australia: Jehovah’s Witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  australia: jehovah’s witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors.

  https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/03/jehovahs-witnesses-redress-scheme/.

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  Huh. They actually caved.

  Didn’t see that coming.

  It’s weird...

  ...not surprised by the sour-grapes attitude, but definitely didn’t expect the public admission of it. I wonder if that was a specific further requirement.

  Eithe way, they still haven’t come out of this looking like the good guys.
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  Since Myself and our sons left the JW cult, My wife has been M.I.A has a mom and wife

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i would like to get some feed back from pomo's who's spouse is still pimi.

  since myself and our son's left the jw cult.

  my wife has been m.i.a has a mom and a wife.

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  Vidiot

  Those of us able to WTexit with our families should never forget how lucky we are.