Posts by Vidiot

Research clearly indicates that apocalyptic groups are really only able to effectively increase their numbers by stoking up anticipation via date-setting.

The WTS can no longer continue date-setting as it stretches their credibility light-years past the breaking point, but still needs to expand its membership to survive (it's based on a 20th Century Western capitalist business model, after all - dependent on theoretical "infinite growth"), thus the increasing shrillness of pre-Apocalyptic rhetoric. The WTS arguably can't stop; being an apocalyptic Christian group is its whole reason for existence, but the lack of concrete date-setting effectively neuters the "message".

What to do, what to do?

"Goin' up to the country" and building underground bunker complexes, maybe.

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When the Reptillian Anti-Christ is unmasked, what is your firearm of choice to kill our invaders?

by WingCommander in

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this subject thread has been on my mind for a while, especially after seeing "zombieland" and foodall's thread about our possible ufo/reptilian over lords/realion/alien invaders.

when the great day of reckoning comes, whether it be from ufo alien invaders, realian reptilian over lords, demons in human-hybrid form, or just plain old virus-infected zombies, what will you be carrying to defend yourself from the hostile forces of e-vile?

please, no one say a "bible" or i'm going to just laugh my ass off.

Vidiot

WingCommander - "When the Reptilian Anti-Christ is unmasked, what is your firearm of choice to kill our invaders?"

I dunno. What do you got?

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Can anyone here SEE the "Run-Away Freight train" about to "Blind-Side" the WTBTS???

by foodalls in

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i just got off listening to the the tape about the teh bethlelite brothers and the case a member of the anointed has filed against a congregation about an illegal disfellowshiping...and both of these "brothers" have set this organization for a very hard fall!

but!...thats not what i see from what o got from these tapes....but it will be a big contributing factor (i actually feel sorry for those poor "ignorant" elders who will be left to "flap-in-the-wind" over this!!!

)..but its what ii know is comig about all religion that know for a fact!!!

Vidiot

Outlaw - "Learn how to turn your caps off."

Dude, he can't. He's yelling. That's what caps are for, man. Didn't you know?

ProdigalSon - "More and more people will realize that they are spirits who volunteered to come here to assist not only in the evolution of this planet but also their own."

Scientology is bad for you. Please abstain.

metatron - "Here's my take: YES, there will be some sort of disclosure soon. If you follow the media and the release of government info on UFOs outside the US, this is coming...However, disclosure will be discreet and indirect. I expect Obama or some official to make a staged remark to the effect that 'they're real, we don't know what they are but it's nothing to worry about'. The last thing they want is panic and there are countless government officials in the US who are born again Christians - who would get very upset about any blunt, dramatic full disclosure."

I remember reading a recent poll showing that the majority of Biblical literalists (Christian, Muslim, or Jewish; monotheists all) overwhelmingly indicated a very strong disbelief in the possibility of intelligent biological extraterrestrial life. The researchers were surprised at first, because they had originally anticipated the opposite; fundies (partly by definition) tend to be prone to what psychologists call "magical thinking"; that is, the belief in the supernatural or paranormal. The researchers had originally classified the belief in ETs under that criteria, and therefore (mistakenly) assumed that the majority of fundamentalists would consider the existence of aliens at least a distinct possibility.

It turned out, however, that the particulars of a religious fundamentalist worldview - particularly apocalyptic Christian Millennialist theology - don't really allow room for the possibility of little green men from outer space.

This didn't surprise me; I remember as a teenager intuiting that two things would be potential death blows to the WTS; First Contact, and smoking-gun proof of evolution.

WingCommander - "Take for instance this whole UFO/Reptilian/Alien OverLords shit; if you are a dyed-in-the-wool Christian, you can easily dismiss such claims by voicing your opinion that the entire scenario is made up from Satan to distract YHWH God's worshippers deep in the end, as in the Anti-Christ. Aliens come down to earth, claim there is no God or afterlife, and then everyone is supposed to reject religion and those left are Christ's true followers. Anti-Christ (alien authorities who are actually Demons in disguise) then make their followers turn against the Christians and then somehow God steps in and Armaggedon starts up."

Didn't Hal Lindsay (Late, Great Planet Earth fame) theorize something like this back in the 70s?

Even if he didn't , it would make an awesome Roger Corman movie.

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Bible Predicts Google Obsoletes Jehovah?

by metatron in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyrqnfliv6y.

google is working on a conversational instant translator.

what does genesis 11 say happens if they succeed?

Vidiot

Something else I remembered; these advances are taking place via the application of sound scientific principles, discipline, and good old-fashioned hard work.

To the best of my knowledge, End-Timers (JW or otherwise) have virtually always interpreted the fulfillment of Apocalyptic/Millenial prophecies (positive and negative) as being overtly "miraculous" in nature; i.e. supernatural phenomenon.

Advances in longevity medicine, disease elimination, stem cell therapies, cybernetics, and nanotechnology (not to mention climate change and Peak Oil) are all, despite being astonishing (or extremely worrisome), distinctly mundane, "real-world" things. If humanity accomplishes this much on its own without divine assistance (or judgment), it's potentially a huge blow to the fundamentalist worldview.

That reminds me, I remember chuckling when I realized that the majority of advances and more importantly, successes - in genetics therapy are, in a big way, due to the application of evolutionary models to the research.

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Ireland: judge orders baby to be given blood after dramatic court hearing

by behemot in

a judge ordered the baby son of a jehovah witness couple to be given a life-saving blood transfusion after a dramatic court hearing in his home in the early hours of the morning.. judge gerard hogan said barristers for temple street children's hospital arrived at his house at 1am on december 27 and argued the desperately ill three-month-old boy needed urgent treatment.. neither the infant nor his parents were identified in the high court judgment, which was published today.. judge hogan ruled that while parents have the constitutional right to raise their children to their own religious and philosophical views, the state has a vital interest in ensuring children are protected.. "but there is absolutely no doubt but that the court can intervene in a case such as this where the child's life, general welfare and other vital interests are at stake," he added.. judge hogan heard that when the baby boy was born in september 2010 he had been a twin, with a sister who did not survive.. on christmas day the infant was suffering from acute bronchiolitis when his condition deteriorated.

at one point he stopped breathing and had to be resuscitated.. he was transferred to temple street the following day where his condition became critical.

his liver was distended and by that evening his haemoglobin level plummeted to the point where a transfusion was necessary.. the judge said while the boy's parents were clearly anxious for his welfare and had allowed the use of blood products earlier that day, as committed jehovah witnesses they were steadfast in their opposition to this procedure.. the hospital made contact with the court's duty register at 10pm that night and the high court hearing was swiftly arranged.. consultant dr kevin carson, clinical director of intensive care, argued the youngster's life was in danger and there were no medical alternatives to a transfusion.. the parents were not legally represented at the judge's house, but were aware of the issues as the court had previously sanctioned a blood transfusion for another child of theirs.. judge hogan continued: "there is no doubt as to the sincerity of the religious beliefs of the parents.. "they struck me as wholesome and upright parents who were most anxious for the welfare of their child, yet steadfast in their own religious beliefs.

Vidiot

dozy - "The babies parents in this case seem a bit more resigned to the situation , not even bothering to go to the judges house or send a representative from the HLC."

I suspect these days, JWs see the writing on the walls (conciously or otherwise), at least in terms of actions the state will take; most people here are probably aware of the high-profile case in Alberta last decade; i strongly suspect that legal precedents are being made, at least with regards to minors, parental religious beliefs be damned. The developed world is getting more and more secular these days, after all. Maybe the FLDS polygamy cases are having an effect.The thought had ocurred to me, too. When I was still active, there was a deep, hidden part of me that hoped that, if I needed one, the courts would mandate it (both before and after I became a parent - moreso after I became a parent).

medina - "I think the parents we' re releaved after the Judge said that! Now the ''guilt'' is of their shoulders and their child will be saved, they know the child cant do anything about it, as do they. With this in mind they are happy they dont have te take responsibility and explain evertyhing to the elders."

It wouldn't surprise me. When I realized that it was the threat of DFing that I feared, rather than the possibility of pissing of God (assuming He exists), I wasn't the least bit surprised to learn (anecdotally) that the majority of "professed" JWs (hee hee) would probably accept one (at least in an emergency situation) if they thought they could keep it on the down-low.

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Where do I start...

by KristiKay in

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i stumbeled across this site after doing some research about earthquakes and "end times".

i've had a jw comming to my home for quite a while just stopping by, and she finally convinced me to agree to a "bible study".

i was intoxicated at the time i agreed and i figured it would be better to have a set time for her visits rather then her just showing up at random times.

Vidiot

Welcome aboard, fellow newbie.

I apologize for sounding cynical, but if you're a single mom, you're a prime target for recruitment into any authoritarian High Control group (especially if you're pretty).

They'll hook you up with a nice MS (who may or may not be stoopid), make you relatively dependant on the Org for most things (social ties, possible employment, etc.), and after you get baptized and marry him (which will happen, 'cause A) MSs who want to stay MSs don't marry non-baptized girls, and B) nonmarital sex is a JW no-no, and everybody needs sex), it will be that much harder to leave if you have second thoughts.

The nice lady studying with you may view you as a person with value, but the WTS as an organization (or a social organism) is only able to really view you as a potential asset (or liability).

I'm really sorry for saying this.

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Child Abuse At The Meetings

by Hairyhegoat in

please read and i will tell you now this was it was like for me !.

kingdom halls are a hellish memory for me.

i grew up as a jehovah's witness from the age of 9 until i fought my way to freedom at age 18. i recall children as young as a year old being beaten repeatedly for not sitting still during services...some sessions, called assemblies, were 6 hours long and lasted for 3-5 days in succession.. my nephew was one of many who felt the literal sting of the watchtower's stance of "spare the rod, spoil the child.

Vidiot

Hairyhegoat - "do you actually think for one minute Jesus would strike/slap a child that was acting up or just not conforming to the norm ? No I dont think so...."

Can't speak for Doubtfully, but the majority of authoritarian "Christians" (i.e. funamentalist, so-called Biblical literalists) don't revere/follow/worship the gentle, kind Jesus of the Gospels.

They're into the hardcore Rambo warrior Jesus who kicks ass and takes names at the Final Battle.

I even remember reading a quote from a prominant Southern Baptist preacher a couple years back actually said this; that "the gentle Messiah of the Gospels had been patient long enough; now that we were in the End Times, the 'strict Father' Jesus was needed to do what was necessary..." (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist).

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Bible Predicts Google Obsoletes Jehovah?

by metatron in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyrqnfliv6y.

google is working on a conversational instant translator.

what does genesis 11 say happens if they succeed?

Vidiot

Bump.

Metatron, you there?

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I Believe The SixScreens Mystery Bethelite

by Gary1914 in

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maybe i'm naive or just plain stupid, but i believe what the mystery bethelite says.

also, i don't think it's out of the ordinary that mary was concerned about going to the bathroom in the kingdom hall.. remember, the elder at bethel who was arrested because he took pictures of people using the bathroom?

that was hard to believe but it was absolutely true.

Vidiot

LisaBObeesa - "I agree that if Johnny said those things he is probably not legit. But remember it was Rick, over the top sensational Rick, who said that. We didn't hear Johnny say that. So for me, the jury is still out."

Ah. Okay.

I guess that makes Rick Fearon the Alex Jones of the XJW community, and SixScreens is the PrisonPlanet equivalent, huh?

Jones throws so much shit out there, at least one or two turds are bound to stick, by simple virtue of the odds...