Posts by Vidiot

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The Motive of the Governing Body

by jwfacts in

i have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources.

however, i found some old emails from ray franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question i regularly receive.

it is in regards to the motive of governing body members.

Vidiot

truthlover123 - "...now --If your not on Zoom, your questioned, if you are on Zoom and don't have the camera on you at all times, other pubs want to know what is going on.. elders want you there for the 'ride along'/active phone calling service now more days that ever (and if your not on doing phone calls- they know your service record is kaput)... its a captive audience now..."

Hmm... hadn't thought of that.

I gotta say, if it actually plays out that way, it's pretty Big-Brother-ish...

...maybe this won't make fading as easy as I thought, after all.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses Sue Owners of FaithLeaks for Posting 74 Convention Movies

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-faithleaks-owners-over-convention-videos .

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/05/01/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-owners-of-faithleaks-for-posting-74-convention-movies/.

the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, which oversees the jehovah’s witnesses, is suing the truth and transparency foundation and its founders ryan c. mcknight and ethan g. dodge alleging copyright infringement..

Vidiot

After some thought...

...I suspect that they simply don't want their stuff being repurposed in a way that mocks them ('cause let's face it, Deafsturbation never gets old), or have the footage used in a manner that successfully deconstructs (and therefore undermines) WT ideology and authority.

Having the material available solely on their terms would (theoretically) prevent that.

I could be wrong.

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The Motive of the Governing Body

by jwfacts in

i have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources.

however, i found some old emails from ray franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question i regularly receive.

it is in regards to the motive of governing body members.

Vidiot

smiddy3 - "...answers that ranged from evasive to outrightly dishonest..."

Once again, for the newbies, lurkers, and trolls...

...if you have to cheat to defend your beliefs, your beliefs don't deserve to be defended.

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What do you make of this recent article regarding the United Nations stance towards overriding religions of the world on certain matters?

by devout_no_more in

first of all, this is my first post here on the forums even though i have been registered now for some time.

i have been faded from the jehovah's witness religion for many years now, but only recently within the past year or so gotten quite serious about it - crisis of conscience by ramond franz really kicked things off for me personally.. anyway, my wife, parents, step-sister and her husband and my half-brother are all still active jw's, so i am still exposed to them, and this is also the reason why i'm still "faded".

frankly i'd probably just as soon disassociate myself without the threat of being shunned.

Vidiot

Hmph.

The headline probably just gave every WT Loyalist a chubby.

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have you heard anything ?

by lancelink in

i was a witness from grade school ( 1976) until 2007. i seem to remember an important aspect that was always talked about at the hall as being a fact.they would say that "the rocks themselves would cry out" if the public preaching work was to stop,,,,, all i've seen and heard these past few months are the witnesses complaining about the witnessing work coming to a halt.but i've not heard one rock crying .. .

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Vidiot

contramundum - "received this in an email from a non jw friend this week. It made us both chuckle"

Huh.

House-to-house spamming.

Or will they start calling it the "Email-to-Email Work", now?

Vidiot

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Number of Kingdom Halls Worldwide

by wachttorenkijker in

how many kingdom halls are there worldwide?

even better how many in the years 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.. i'm asking this to get a picture of the total real estate owning of the jw and how this become to the money-cow in these days..

Vidiot

watchtorenkijker - "...this become to the money-cow in these days."

For now.

Eventually, the family silver runs out, though.

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Watchtower admits false prophesy in Court of Law!

by digderidoo in

a false prophesy was promulgated?

q. it had to be accepted by jehovah's witnesses?

q. error?

Vidiot

smiddy3 - "...One in particular that I felt was just waiting for the Holy Spirit to put words in his mouth and they just never came..."

Yeah, I remember that poor fella; he ended up looking pretty lost.

Besides that, it also almost seemed like Watchtower reps expected the Commission to back off at even the most half-assed "Bible-based" argument.

...

Reminds me of something my Dad used to believe...

...that deep down, The World (somehow) actually knew JWs had The Truth, and even though they didn't want to admit it, they still felt compelled to oblige them in legal matters because of it...

...and that that was a big reason why the WTS so often prevailed in secular courts.

It doesn't even occur to most rank-and-filers that the Org's early successes in that particular field of battle was actually the result of shrewd, canny legal reps who only picked fights they thought they'd win, rather than Divine backing...

...I think even the leadership has bought into that particular rhetoric by now.

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Watchtower admits false prophesy in Court of Law!

by digderidoo in

a false prophesy was promulgated?

q. it had to be accepted by jehovah's witnesses?

q. error?

Vidiot

At least Franz and Covington had the balls to own the more offensive aspects of WT ideology; the current crop would misdirect, obfuscate, and twist the facts into semantic pretzels before copping to any of that shit in a public forum.

Three things...

a) ...I'm still gobsmacked that, after all that, Scotland still gave the WTS tax-exemption...

b) ...it reinforces something I've been saying for years; that they know it's wrong, but believe it's True, at the same time, and...

c) ...this case is the reason the Org will bend over backwards to keep GB members from being put on the witness stand.

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Are Ex-JW's Suffering From Burn Out?

by IWant2Leave in

the reason that i ask is, in the two years on this forum and you tube, i've seen ex-jw's either drop off entirely or make fewer and fewer videos.

i know the emotional toll can be high.

is that the sole reason, or is it cost (video) or do you think it's external pressure (legal or family)?

Vidiot

From what I've seen, becoming an XJW probably saves you from burnout.

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The Motive of the Governing Body

by jwfacts in

i have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources.

however, i found some old emails from ray franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question i regularly receive.

it is in regards to the motive of governing body members.

Vidiot

the girl next door - "...The higher the position, the greater burden in the mind when doubts creep in. 'The harder they fall' as it were... The GB are painfully ordinary men playing the only game they know at the highest level in full recognition, or at the very least cognitive dissonance, that everything they believe in is in fact complete bullshit.... No doubt each one of them quietly struggles with their own crisis of conscience..."

You're partly right.

After long observation and thought on the subject, I've come to the conclusion that...

a) ...they know it's wrong... but believe it's true... at the same time (it's called "compartmentalization", and career politicians are particularly skilled at it), and...

b) ...the WTS leadership is able to function that way because (I suspect) authoritarian leaders don't actually feel cognitive dissonance.