Go back far enough in (actual) human history, and pretty much everything has “pagan” origins.
Posts by Vidiot
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15J.W's and " but that is Pagan !".
by Phizzy inthere have been a number of threads touching on this before, leolaia for one, back in the day when we had many an erudite poster, showed the pagan origins of many things, including the passover , and by extension, the jw " memorial".. what prompted my thought on this was a conversation i had the other day with a young lady, never a jw, who said the jw stance on birthday celebrations, was groundless and cruel.. i thought later that jw's do a " pick and mix " as usual, as they do with so many other things, on what they condemn as "pagan" and what they accept and practice.. the institution of marriage itself is pagan, marriages were performed long before the bible was written, and long before the nation of israel was formed.
yet jw's perform marriages, use the veil, and the ring, all pagan.
the names of the days of the week, the months of the year, all pagan.. i guess you guys can think of many more things ?
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Cults and Their Charismatic Leaders Part 1
by 1234 inpeople know of many cult leaders’ and their charismatic personalities, with their fringe beliefs and lust for power and how they have inspired hundreds to follow their unconventional philosophies — with often-tragic results.
charles manson, david koresh, jim jones, bhagwan shree rajneesh and others have gained international notoriety for exposing the dark side of humanity.. however what about the cults that went main stream.
i guess we could throw in jesus and even adolf hitler.
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Vidiot
Two big related problems the Org has...
a) ...Fred Franz never left any kind of protege before he kicked the bucket, and...
b) ...Ted Jaracz used 9-11 to purge out the majority of creative types and out-of-the-box thinkers...
...the kinds of people that, IMO, the WTS needed the most in order to effectively bring the WT narrative into the 21st century.
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Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week
by Sea Breeze inwell known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..
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Vidiot
re. Off-shore accounts...
...do organizations deliberately begin building up emergency nest-eggs because they’re actually expecting financial decline or collapse?
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Cults and Their Charismatic Leaders Part 1
by 1234 inpeople know of many cult leaders’ and their charismatic personalities, with their fringe beliefs and lust for power and how they have inspired hundreds to follow their unconventional philosophies — with often-tragic results.
charles manson, david koresh, jim jones, bhagwan shree rajneesh and others have gained international notoriety for exposing the dark side of humanity.. however what about the cults that went main stream.
i guess we could throw in jesus and even adolf hitler.
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Vidiot
@ 1234 ...
Dont kid yourself.
JWs don’t have that much sex.
😏
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Cults and Their Charismatic Leaders Part 1
by 1234 inpeople know of many cult leaders’ and their charismatic personalities, with their fringe beliefs and lust for power and how they have inspired hundreds to follow their unconventional philosophies — with often-tragic results.
charles manson, david koresh, jim jones, bhagwan shree rajneesh and others have gained international notoriety for exposing the dark side of humanity.. however what about the cults that went main stream.
i guess we could throw in jesus and even adolf hitler.
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Vidiot
I could care less if there are still cults existing in the future...
...as long as the WTS isn’t one of them.
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P. Ms Letter to non subscibers to Redress Scheme
by jonahstourguide inspotted this article this morning.
i will try to post a link.. jtg.. australia.. institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, prime minister scott morrison says.. mr morrison and social services minister anne ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.. "all institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.. "we consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme.".
the jehovah's witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.. senator ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.. "we urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and mr morrison said.. "it is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, australian demands.".
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Vidiot
On a related note, I actually hope the Aussie government doesn't seize any WT property to compensate the victims (in effect, "forcing" the WTS to join the redress scheme).
Yes, it would accomplish something in the short-term, but the Org would be too easily able to appear as martyrs to the rank-and-file.
Better to compensate the victims from federal funds in this particular instance... it would make the government (correctly) appear more ethical and empathetic...
...and then, after countless rebuffed requests for the Org to voluntarily repay the shortfall (because, let's be honest, they won't) revoke their "charity" status as a punitive measure... way harder to spin "paying back Caesar's things to Caesar" as "persecution", after all....
...and since the WTS has already moved the bulk of their funds out of the country (in order to spuriously claim that they can't afford it), raise public taxes just a teeny bit to - ostensibly - make up said shortfall, and let everybody know why.
Public opinion of the Org would be at an all-time low...
...embarrassment and disillusionment on the part of the R&F would be at an all-time high.
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P. Ms Letter to non subscibers to Redress Scheme
by jonahstourguide inspotted this article this morning.
i will try to post a link.. jtg.. australia.. institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, prime minister scott morrison says.. mr morrison and social services minister anne ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.. "all institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.. "we consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme.".
the jehovah's witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.. senator ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.. "we urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and mr morrison said.. "it is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, australian demands.".
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Vidiot
joey dojo - "JWs are the only organised religion that have failed to join. They have less than 10 claimants that have registered interest in redress, according to the media, so why hold out? It seems like really bad press for all the wrong reasons."
From the Org's perspective, they simply can't.
Pride is definitely a factor, but more importantly, to willingly join the redress scheme would be - in effect - publicly admitting the problem existed in the first place, that it was indeed their fault it got so bad, and that their so-called "Biblical" methods of dealing with it internally were fundamentally flawed.
All of which too deeply undermine the internal claim that they are "God's Exclusive Earthly Organization"... a dogma which absolutely must be reinforced and maintained at all costs, because...
a) ...without it, there's virtually no incentive for the average rank-and-filer to even be a JW at this point, and technically, the Org is still arguably dependent on the membership's financial support, and...
b) ...being "God's Exclusive Earthly Organization" has become the WTS's whole raison d'etre... if they're not actually what they claim, then by their own internal 100-years-strong rhetoric and standards, they are by definition a "false religion", and therefore have no legitimacy, authority, or right to even exist.
The first loss might be survivable.
The second, though?
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Well Englanders, you have been warned!
by BoogerMan innaughty, naughty little children - going to beaches on a sunny day.. "health secretary matt hancock has "made clear we do have the powers to go back in and act"".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53190209.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr5apyxku-u.
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Vidiot
matt - "i will say politely: you are in thrall to the ministry of truth. your life, which has included at least aspects of basic freedom up to the rollout of this covid hoax, is changing. your indoctrination appears to be nearly complete, and as a 'snitch', you only need to report to the thought police. that will help take care of the few discontents who cling (against the best interests of all!) to their right to live their lives. 1984 becomes a living, breathing entity because you are persuaded it is for your benefit. welcome to 1984, agenda 21, agenda 2030, and beyond. the united nations loves you and will take care of you."
Fuck, yeah!
Sign me up for the Thought Police!
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JW vs. Mormon with regards to homosexuality
by Downtowner ini find it ironic that jw.org publishes an article about homosexuality on the day i received july 2020 issue if the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints magazine "ensign" which also has an article on same-sex attraction.
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regardless, the lds article comes across as more caring than the jw article although in the end members in good standing cannot act upon their same-sex attraction in either religion..
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Vidiot
steve2 - "...It is a message about homosexuals to JWs..."
Let's be honest...
...has anything the WT put out ever really been for anyone but JWs?
steve2 - "...it's as if they cannot bring themselves to talk to the very people whose lifestyles they condemn..."
Yup, just like they don't really have the balls to condemn militant Islam.
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They Are Going To Start Clamping Down With Staying At Home - Local Needs + GB Update #4
by thedepressedsoul inmany of us have watched the gb #4 update.
most of us jumped for joy when they basically said that there will be no meeting in person for a long time to come.. one aspect we overlooked was how hard they hit home the "love of neighbor".
how this "love" is what makes a true christian and as a result our love for our neighbors will motivate us to stay at home.. well now they released a letter that is instructing all kh's to view this video during their local needs part.
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Vidiot
Also, just last night I was joking with my wife about how some of the old-school loyalists probably don’t know what to do with themselves during the shutdown, whilst a lot more are actually enjoying the break.😀