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  It's VERY DIFFICULT for some JWs to accept the Truth-------But for other not so much------WHY?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is it about some jws that they can't see the flip-flops of the wt's changing doctrine?.

  some of the flip-flops involved the death of many of it's members, and it was not even biblical based.

  yet for some reason they can't seem to grasp the significance of the matter.

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  Vidiot

  Simon - "It's easier to fool someone than to convince someone they have been fooled."

  Yup.
  

  It's when you convince someone by fooling them into thinking they've been fooled that things start to get complicated (or, at least, foolish).
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  You Just Can't Not Laugh

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. humour

  so this kid adds trombone-effects to his mothers life and, well, if you haven't seen it you have to watch it.

  seems like she see's the funny side for some of them at least.. it's awesome and hilarious.

  kudos to them both.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhlfcezkvko.

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  I'm now turned off by this site

  by purrpurr in

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  2. friends

  in one form or another i've been a member of this site for almost 10 years.

  in the past this was a great place for debate, news and support for ex jws.

  i logged on several times a day and posted several times a week.

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  Me.Wonderful - "...you can't figure why you people might turned off by the constant 'Obama eats aborted babies', 'Biden bathes in the blood of virgins'..."

  Seriously.

  Everybody knows Obama only eats live babies, and Biden drinks the blood of virgins.

  Get it straight, sheeple.
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  The King of the North and the South, who are they now?

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

  since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.

  is islam the king of the south?

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  Vidiot

  I always suspected (even back when I was still in) that the Org leadership experienced mild panic when the old Soviet Union unexpectedly collapsed.

  They must have breathed a huge sigh of relief when Putin started acting all Bond-villain-y.
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  Never expect anyone to solve a problem when their livelihood depends on that problem existing

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  imagine you were a leader of a "gender equality" group started as part of the 'metoo' movement?.

  now fast-forward and you're the one trying to discredit victims who have come forward with accusations.

  but not they are accusations against someone you work for.. it's a perfect example of how activists so often end up unwittingly (or quite intentionally) perpetuating the very problem they claim to be against.

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  Vidiot

  Activism wears many faces.

  Personally, I consider participating here a form of activism.
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  Splane's "Apostate" talk transcript

  by FFGhost in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for any who can't (like me) muster the masochism necessary to sit through an 18-or-so hour commentary on a 30 minute talk from a certain famous/infamous commentator, here is a link to a transcript from splane's saturday afternoon "apostate" talk:.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ot7z2e/splanes_apostate_rant_transcription/.

  there are many topics worthy of consideration, but this particular section really stood out to me:.

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  Rocketman123 - "...the reason the WTS did what they did in such a irresponsibly way in situations of pedophilia within the organization is because the bible told them what to do..."

  Partly, but there's more to it.

  By the time it became a real problem, WT leaders and loyalists couldn't conceive that those so-called Biblical applications might be inadequate compared to the methods of "The World", let alone make the mess worse rather than better.

  More importantly, though, on some level, they realized that reporting it to secular authorities would trigger further investigations that would likely reveal even more abuse...

  ...which ran the risk of becoming a matter of public record...

  ...which would, in turn, cast even further doubt (amongst the rank-and-file) on the all-important claim of "God's Exclusive Earthly Organization"...

  ...which, in the wake of the one-two punch of the 1975 failure and the Ray Franz defection, simply could not be permitted under any circumstances.

  So they used the "two-witness" rule as a weapon to hide the problem rather than fix it.
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  The right to not be exposed to ideas I don’t like or agree with?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok, i would like to submit to the forum the following question: in abstract, do you think that there is a right to not being exposed to ideas that you don’t like or disagree with?

  please think it through and its implications on both ends of the spectrum.. it’s not the right to conscientious objection to do something you vehemently disagree with; it’s not about the liberty to chose which ideas you want to embrace or advocate.

  it’s something different.. given that, as exjws, we understand the importance of being exposed to different opinions in order to form our own opinion, should someone claim the right not to be exposed to opinions or ideas that they don’t like?

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  Vidiot

  Technically, everybody has the "right" to not be exposed to ideas they "don’t like or agree with"...

  
  

  ...but good luck finding a hermetic bubble to live in.
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  The Evidence of Human Evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  despite the wt's and young earth creationists' teachings against human evolution (namely macroevolution from non-humans) being a reality, the evidence of human evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger.. consider for example two science news articles and one other science article, each pertaining to the fossil that is nicknamed "little foot".

  below are links to three science articles, listed in order of the articles from oldest to newest (except i don't see a date for one of the articles).

  https://www.newscientist.com/article/2187639-exclusive-controversial-skeleton-may-be-a-new-species-of-early-human/.

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  notsurewheretogo - "JW's dismiss evolution along with many folks because they think evolution is a) a theory not proved and b) is the origin of life."

  Not quite.

  They do use those arguments to dismiss it, but they're not why they dismiss it.

  JWs and other creationists reject evolution because their religious cosmology is dependent on the assumption that the Genesis creation narrative must be literal history (particularly regarding Adam and Eve in Eden).

  If life - and by extension, humanity - evolved, then the events in Genesis did not actually happen, and by extension, the historicity of the Bible - and ultimately, the legitimacy of Christianity itself - is called into question.
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  What would happen if the Watchtower decided no more meeting at Kingdom Halls, only Zoom?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m seeing my hard core believing relatives slowly losing faith that the watchtower is the organization that “god” is using to represent him on earth.. just about all the churches in their area have opened up.. but not the watchtower.. this is having an affect on the faith of even the old timers.

  now the only ones who are still holding the faith are the female jws and only those past 70 years of age.

  even my old male jw relative past 70 are starting to say that it can’t be jehovah’s organization because the other churches are all open and god supposed organization who is supposed to preach the warning message is still closed with no open in sight.

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  Vidiot

  Transitioning to an e-religion was long rumored, and Covid's given them all the pretext they needed.

  The fact that virtually all the other churches are back up and running does nothing but support that, IMO.

  You guys are right, though...

  ...in-person group activities like KH meetings and field service were crucial in maintaining internal solidarity, cohesion, and discipline.

  Without it, the fakers, faders, and fence-sitters have virtually zero incentive left.
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  HELP NEEDED: Cases where sexually abused JWs were disfellowshipped as retaliation for reporting to authorities.

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have read in this forum many compelling stories of people who were sexually abused as minors while associated with the jw's.

  i need to be directed to threads where victims tell their stories (preferably if these ended up in court) of abuse and where there was this key element to the story: they were intimidated with threats of excommunication to not report their abuse to authorities and/or they suffered retaliation in the form of disfellowshipping/disassociation for reporting the crime to the authorities.

  i recall one story, that i really would like to find again, when someone went to the elders with a complaint of having been sexually abused, the elders confronted the abuser and he denied.

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  Vidiot

  They labelled it as "unrepentent slander" or somesuch.