so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.
beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.
the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?
So, the likeliest potential reasons are…
…attempting to reduce responsibility/liability for bad shit that happens in the door-to-door ministry…
…prolific door-to-door records aren’t really required anymore for tax-exemption…
…too many nonJWs know too much and are able to make the witnessing super-uncomfortable…
…the Org’s dwindling (active) numbers can’t keep up with the world’s growing population…
…I miss any?
link to article.
a legal bid by the jehovah's witness church to get out of being part of the royal commission of inquiry into abuse in care has been dismissed by the high court in wellington.. after nearly three years of behind-the-scenes legal wrangling to avoid scrutiny from the inquiry, the church applied for a judicial review in june.. at a hearing, held earlier this month it argued it was beyond the inquiry's scope because it did not operate institutions that cared for children or vulnerable people and the inquiry had uncovered no evidence of abuse in that context.. lawyers representing the inquiry argued that jehovah's witness elders - equivalent to ministers or pastors - exercised a level of control over the congregation that allowed them access to children.. the inquiry informed abuse survivors who gave evidence to the inquiry in relation to the jehovah's witnesses of the news this afternoon.. "we have received advice from the high court that none of the causes of action brought by the jehovah's witnesses has succeeded and the application for judicial review has been dismissed.
the judge's reasons are not yet available, but are expected in the near future," the email to survivors, seen by rnz, said.. the church was the only faith-based institution in the country to legally challenge its involvement in the inquiry, although it had attempted to challenge its status in other countries where similar inquiries have also been carried out.. the inquiry said, in a statement, that the dismissal "means the royal commission can continue to investigate the jehovah's witnesses, and all other faiths, in accordance with the pastoral care approach we have been applying since 2019".. "reasons for the high court's judgment are not yet available but are expected in the near future.
Beth Sarim - “…The Borg always has a way of speaking from both sides of its mouth…”
Hmph.
I’m starting to wonder if they even know how to talk any other way.
🤨
link to article.
a legal bid by the jehovah's witness church to get out of being part of the royal commission of inquiry into abuse in care has been dismissed by the high court in wellington.. after nearly three years of behind-the-scenes legal wrangling to avoid scrutiny from the inquiry, the church applied for a judicial review in june.. at a hearing, held earlier this month it argued it was beyond the inquiry's scope because it did not operate institutions that cared for children or vulnerable people and the inquiry had uncovered no evidence of abuse in that context.. lawyers representing the inquiry argued that jehovah's witness elders - equivalent to ministers or pastors - exercised a level of control over the congregation that allowed them access to children.. the inquiry informed abuse survivors who gave evidence to the inquiry in relation to the jehovah's witnesses of the news this afternoon.. "we have received advice from the high court that none of the causes of action brought by the jehovah's witnesses has succeeded and the application for judicial review has been dismissed.
the judge's reasons are not yet available, but are expected in the near future," the email to survivors, seen by rnz, said.. the church was the only faith-based institution in the country to legally challenge its involvement in the inquiry, although it had attempted to challenge its status in other countries where similar inquiries have also been carried out.. the inquiry said, in a statement, that the dismissal "means the royal commission can continue to investigate the jehovah's witnesses, and all other faiths, in accordance with the pastoral care approach we have been applying since 2019".. "reasons for the high court's judgment are not yet available but are expected in the near future.
Pride goeth before a fall.
2023-10-13-announcements (reporting field service).
page 1. https://imgbox.com/96lgsfw4 .
page 2. https://imgbox.com/zynoa02m .
The top three indicators of “God’s Blessing”…
a) membership/organizational growth
b) dialed-up-to-eleven ministry
c) constant and regular court victories
A noticeable decline in one, even two, can be explained away.
But three?
how many remember when the wts changed their policy on alternative service; changed it to alternative civilian service so jw men could choose it because it was not supervised by the military.
shows how the wts quibbles with words to advance a "new teaching.
" flag salute, voting, civilian service p. 212. civilian service.
Ten bucks says they changed their mind about civilian service because their tax-exemption was at risk.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3a%2f%2fpreview.redd.it%2foctober-17-announcements-they-need-licensed-lawyers-and-v0-kt2zmsb6hyvb1.jpg%3fwidth%3d1080%26crop%3dsmart%26auto%3dwebp%26s%3d2c1aa3fdd41235734f8e1fc07431a670d53a2a9a.
even though the org reps would probably ask any attendees to temporarily relinquish any mobile-slash-recording devices, i can’t help but wonder if there are any pimos out there with the requisite legal experiences who could conceivably arrange to attend, and tell us exactly what it’s all about..
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Foctober-17-announcements-they-need-licensed-lawyers-and-v0-kt2zmsb6hyvb1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2c1aa3fdd41235734f8e1fc07431a670d53a2a9a
Even though the Org reps would probably ask any attendees to temporarily relinquish any mobile-slash-recording devices, I can’t help but wonder if there are any PIMOs out there with the requisite legal experiences who could conceivably arrange to attend, and tell us exactly what it’s all about.
governing body member jeffrey winder on jw dot org:“we are not embarrassed about ‘adjustments’ that are made; nor is an apology needed for not getting it ‘exactly right’ previously.
we understand: this is how jehovah operates.”
1952 no wt 6/1/52 p.338 1965 maybe they will be resurrected .
I remember a long-ago conversation with my then-elder dad about the times JWs had gotten it wrong.
He explained that whatever mistaken belief they may have had at any given time was nevertheless necessary to maintain organizational unity.
I was old enough that that bothered me, but at least he was forthright about it.
2023-10-13-announcements (reporting field service).
page 1. https://imgbox.com/96lgsfw4 .
page 2. https://imgbox.com/zynoa02m .
nowwhat? - “Their attorneys told them the government really doesn't need the hours spent in the ‘bible education work’ to count as a charity 501c.”
Wouldn’t surprise me.
The Org’s always done something for a reason.
Easier to discontinue something if there’s no more reason to do it…
…then find a pretext to keep doing it if it no longer works anyway.
2023-10-13-announcements (reporting field service).
page 1. https://imgbox.com/96lgsfw4 .
page 2. https://imgbox.com/zynoa02m .
Not to mention creating a massive paper trail of “charitable” activities to qualify for tax-exemption, since they’ve never done soup kitchens, clothing drives, and the like.
there has already been much discussion about how the watchtower society has declared in australia that going door to door is part of a personal ministry.
this seems to be a lame attempt to avoid liability considering that they require time reports and have formal meetings for field service at the kingdom hall.. this is a bit of a dilemma.
reporting time and formal meetings for field service are important methods of control, however it's not clear if the organization is willing or able to handle the potential liability that may come from this.. imagine what would happen if they lost these methods of control.
DesirousOfChange - “…After cashing in on $1.5 BILLION$ (or more) from the sale of the Brooklyn real estate, I find it hard to believe they are really desperate for ca$h, but they sure sound desperate…”
They got around $3B for the Brooklyn sales…
…but apparently, Warwick went crazy-over budget, there’ve been hundreds more pedo payouts that haven’t (and may never) hit the news, and from what I’ve heard, there were some significant outstanding debts specifically tied to the Brooklyn properties they were required by law to square away as part of the terms of the sale.
As a result, it’s all gone, baby, gone.
As to whether they’re “desperate”…
…the way they holler and mobilize their lawyers the moment their tax-exemption looks like it’s approaching the chopping block is all the proof I need.
