here is the org's problem with zoom, attending this way does not fit with their "scriptural definition" of a christian gathering.
at least not anymore, one thing my pimi wife is fine with is attending on zoom occasionally, even 2-3 times a month or so.. if some of you recall, during covid there were break out rooms setup for people to stay on and associate.
many would also stay in the main meeting and talk over each other trying to say hello, etc.
IMO, three of the biggest things for maintaining discipline in any high-control collective are in-person fellowship, group-oriented tasks, and conformity.
Covid and Zoom have dealt a crippling blow to the first two, and the third one doesn’t seem too far behind.
.........because it would cancel out their "upper & lower class christians" fairy story - aka the anointed & non-anointed.. antitype: the fleshly nation of israel and exodus foreigner converts were participants of the mosaic covenant.. type: christianity - the israel of god ("spiritual israel") and gentile converts became participants in the new covenant..
Best one I heard was from Outlaw, though… “he lived as a rotten asshole… and he died from a rotten asshole” (colon cancer, for any newbies tuning in).
I’ve long felt that if there’s any real sense of karma in the universe, he and Jaracz are cellmates in Hell.
BTW, I think Rutherford might have cribbed the Paradise Earth idea from certain Hebrew schools of thought. I could be wrong.
here is the org's problem with zoom, attending this way does not fit with their "scriptural definition" of a christian gathering.
at least not anymore, one thing my pimi wife is fine with is attending on zoom occasionally, even 2-3 times a month or so.. if some of you recall, during covid there were break out rooms setup for people to stay on and associate.
many would also stay in the main meeting and talk over each other trying to say hello, etc.
NotFormer - “Covid proved that work-from-home was a workable solution and employees began to like the idea. Middle management got scared because their inability to micromanage someone not sitting in an office or cubicle on company premises might expose how unnecessary they really are.”
Ohmygod, that makes all the sense.
Greatest post ever, dude.
as it’s nearly the new year my prediction over the next decade or so will see the sense of urgency dwindle.
then some huge huge changes.
for example by 2034 in a decades time, they will have address the 1914 issue and will come out and say we can’t be dogmatic.
If they stay the course and keep doubling down…
…their policies and actions send ‘em further and further up Shit Creek without a paddle, the money runs dry, and they’re doomed to be a footnote in the history books.
If they cut their losses in desperation and mainstream…
…they effectively relinquish any claim to exclusive divine favor, flushing any remaining incentive to stay down the toilet, and the Exodus puts its foot so far up their ass they can taste it.
https://nltimes.nl/2023/12/11/jehovahs-witnesses-suing-dutch-state-discrimination .
the jehovah’s witnesses have sued the dutch state for discrimination, the religious organization informed trouw.
they consider it discriminatory that the government investigated them, but no other religious organization, for their handling of sexual abuse cases.. utrecht university conducted the investigation involved, following publications in trouw in which sexual abuse victims within the jehovah’s witnesses described what happened to them, and published the results in january 2020. utrecht university concluded that 60 percent of sexual abuse victims were very critical of how the jehovah’s witnesses handled their cases, scoring the handling a 1 out of 10. many victims were traumatized by how things were handled, the researchers said.. sander dekker, then the minster for legal protection, ordered the investigation at parliament’s insistence because the jehovah’s witnesses failed to arrange an investigation themselves, as the catholic church did at the time with the deetman commission.. the jehovah’s witnesses cooperated in the utrecht university investigation but unsuccessfully tried to stop the publication of its results.
Beth Sarim - “…inconceivable… unthinkable…”
The way the wind’s been blowing lately, though? It’s a metric fuck-ton more plausible.
And the irony’d be thick enough to choke an alligator.
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"the new study indicates that the oceans that covered the entire planet in water were at least 300 metres deep.
they may have been up to one kilometre deep.".
yet, some secularists say they are sure that the earth was never completely flooded with water above the tops of mountains as described in genesis.
Damn, why didn’t Darren Aronofsky use that? It would’ve looked so cool.
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i know there are several threads already on this "new light", but i didn't see one that covered this particular angle.. since the gb seem to have an ulterior motive for everything they do, well beyond their publicly stated reasons, i began to wonder why they would be concerned with pushing back the closing of the window of jesus' judgement.
this is especially puzzling because the doctrine of the start of great tribulation being the final cutoff was one that the gb seemed to especially revel in for so long.
they could hang it over everyone's heads as a looming threat.
I’m starting to thing the GB just have a giant bullseye-board with post-its of every idea they pull out of their asses mounted on it, and they all take turns throwing darts at the ones they like the most.
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i know there are several threads already on this "new light", but i didn't see one that covered this particular angle.. since the gb seem to have an ulterior motive for everything they do, well beyond their publicly stated reasons, i began to wonder why they would be concerned with pushing back the closing of the window of jesus' judgement.
this is especially puzzling because the doctrine of the start of great tribulation being the final cutoff was one that the gb seemed to especially revel in for so long.
they could hang it over everyone's heads as a looming threat.
“Overlapping Tribulations”…
…LOL I wish I’d thought of that! 😄
i know there are several threads already on this "new light", but i didn't see one that covered this particular angle.. since the gb seem to have an ulterior motive for everything they do, well beyond their publicly stated reasons, i began to wonder why they would be concerned with pushing back the closing of the window of jesus' judgement.
this is especially puzzling because the doctrine of the start of great tribulation being the final cutoff was one that the gb seemed to especially revel in for so long.
they could hang it over everyone's heads as a looming threat.
Jofi_Wofo - “…there's nothing stopping the GB from declaring that the great tribulation has already begun, whenever they see fit…”
Hmm… that’s not bad.
Might work to misdirect the membership away from the fact that the Tower’s crumbling now (relatively speaking), instead of “Babylon the Great” being attacked first.
Then they bugger off to Argentina or the Caymans, and let the rank-and-file think they’ve been Raptured away.
https://nltimes.nl/2023/12/11/jehovahs-witnesses-suing-dutch-state-discrimination .
the jehovah’s witnesses have sued the dutch state for discrimination, the religious organization informed trouw.
they consider it discriminatory that the government investigated them, but no other religious organization, for their handling of sexual abuse cases.. utrecht university conducted the investigation involved, following publications in trouw in which sexual abuse victims within the jehovah’s witnesses described what happened to them, and published the results in january 2020. utrecht university concluded that 60 percent of sexual abuse victims were very critical of how the jehovah’s witnesses handled their cases, scoring the handling a 1 out of 10. many victims were traumatized by how things were handled, the researchers said.. sander dekker, then the minster for legal protection, ordered the investigation at parliament’s insistence because the jehovah’s witnesses failed to arrange an investigation themselves, as the catholic church did at the time with the deetman commission.. the jehovah’s witnesses cooperated in the utrecht university investigation but unsuccessfully tried to stop the publication of its results.
So, they lost the case:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/18hej08/judge_state_did_not_discriminate_against_jehovahs/
Frankly, at this point, I’m kinda surprised the Org even bothered in the first place…
…they’ve been losing in court so often lately, it feels like “ugh, what’s the point?”
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