sorry for the catholic stuff, i just thought this article was good for talking about when life starts
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Scientist: Human Life Begins at Conception, Fertilization
by Gerard Nadal, Ph.D. | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 11/18/11 11:18 AM
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When one considers the ethics of manipulation, the question of whether we ought to, or whether we may manipulate an organism or entity depends on the answer to the first and most fundamental question:
Ascertaining the identity and status of the object of our intended manipulation is essential.
In the fields of obstetrical medicine and reproductive medicine the ethical debates have raged for four decades. Enlightened discourse between opposing parties must assume good motives by all involved, and then go about asking the essential questions, following where the truth of science and reason lead.
Many claim that life begins at some point distant from fertilization, always beyond the point at which they propose some manipulation (abortion, embryonic stem cell culturing, etc…). There are always a list of biological functions that are given to define when human life begins: Cognitive capacity, etc.
The simple biological truth of the matter is that the Cell Theory states that all cells arise from pre-existing cells. There is no blackout period between sperm and egg uniting, and then the emergence of ‘life’ at some point distant.
The Carnegie stages of human development indicate that human development begins in the zygotic stage. Then there is the assertion of developmental biologist and leading textbook author in the field, Scott Gilbert. In his text, Gilbert takes us through the life cycle of a dog. His text, Developmental Biology, is arguably the leading text in the field. According to Gilbert:
“Traditional ways of classifying catalog animals according to their adult structure. But, as J. T. Bonner (1965) pointed out, this is a very artificial method, because what we consider an individual is usually just a brief slice of its life cycle. When we consider a dog, for instance, we usually picture an adult. But the dog is a “dog” from the moment of fertilization of a dog egg by a dog sperm. It remains a dog even as a senescent dying hound. Therefore, the dog is actually the entire life cycle of the animal, from fertilization through death.”
First, note how he sets the word dog off in quotes at one point, to communicate the very essence of the organism:
But the dog is a “dog” from the fertilization of a dog egg by a dog sperm…
The same may be said of all vertebrates, including cats, giraffes, chimpanzees, and humans. Substituting the word human for dog in Gilbert’s analysis gets to the heart of the matter. We are human for our entire life cycle. We are whole and complete in form and function at every stage of our development, for that given developmental stage. The prepubescent child is fully human, even though they lack the capacity to execute all human functions, such as abstract reasoning, or reproduction.
In the same way, the early embryo is alive and fully human, though it has not yet executed all human organismal functions.
Photo via: embryology.med.unsw.edu.au
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unstopableravens
ok well, he talks about how something can be free and yet cost you everything. good anagoly about a football schollership. than he breaks down luke 14:25-33. which talks about hating your mother and father, carrying your cross daily, surrendering to christ. all in proper context. i know cofty you dont believe but you should check it out
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fink: but abortion forces a choice on the baby
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jgnat:yes naturally, but not willfully. tell your hubsand hopefully, thou i does not look promising if they dont get there offensive line together
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unstopableravens
cofty: sorry its not often i get to copy and paste, i think at this point we are playing with words, i, like the article says intent. take it and run or take it at face value.
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unstopableravens
cofty> and of course you ignore the last word that you also did not underline
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i am normally only able to use my phone,thats why its impossible to copy and paste. however im at a real pc now. so i figured i can post a artilcle that express my view, and it has good spelling lol
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cofty ;i think mr lawson does real good job disussing what it cost to be a follower of christ. he has a way of
bringing the text to life. it's a real moving sermon.