hey perry, i believe when jesus died he suffered the wrath of our sins(believers). not thoses whom would not come to faith in christ. i do not believe in double jeopordy. in others words if christ payed for hilters sins, and then hitler dies and god punished him for his sins, that
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The Watchtower Denies Substitutionary Atonement
by Perry infor 30 years i never heard one time that christ died for me personally.
i always heard that he died to pay back what adam lost.
that never made alot of sense to me, but i just went along with it as a kid and young adult.. then, after i left... it hit me just how simple the whole thing was.
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The Watchtower Denies Substitutionary Atonement
by Perry infor 30 years i never heard one time that christ died for me personally.
i always heard that he died to pay back what adam lost.
that never made alot of sense to me, but i just went along with it as a kid and young adult.. then, after i left... it hit me just how simple the whole thing was.
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perry, whosoever believes, but not all believe so do you believe he died only for the elect?
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The Watchtower Denies Substitutionary Atonement
by Perry infor 30 years i never heard one time that christ died for me personally.
i always heard that he died to pay back what adam lost.
that never made alot of sense to me, but i just went along with it as a kid and young adult.. then, after i left... it hit me just how simple the whole thing was.
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perry: who do you believe jesus dies for?
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jh: im glad you care ,i sense care in your comment. and truthfully i care for ppl here including you. thats why i feel it sad when ppl leave jw and dont come to christ. #itsnotacult lol
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jh: on this one it is ,but others have comments open on the same sermon. i dont know why cant speak for who ever downloaded it to youtube
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love to be worldly: people who are sick can say the same thing about the very medicine they need.
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hey full, i really think you put alot of thought into your questions.first i want to make this differance be made, jw believe they are the true religion ,it is about membership in a religion and not really about one on one with god. in other words if salvation was one on one with god than you would not have to join the wt, to have a relationship with god. hence the wt becomes a mediator for a jw. that is not so with christains such as mr lawson who teaches that salvation is doing busness with god one on one and membership to a church is not how a person has salvation. this is important when discussing how to live as a disciple. as a jw does all gives up collage etc for the org. all the while thinking they are paying or working for salvation.while the christain is doing all things for christ and and the attitute i have is all i have is his,and i should use my resources whatever they are to his purpose. as far as my church, to today in the morning service so brothers did a slide show showing the work that is happening in other countries with the ministries we have been apart of one is called churches and villiages together. at our church we are always encourged to live not for ourselves but for christ. it is true that many ppl sacrifice many things for thier beliefs, i think of terroist who give the ultimite thier lives for what they believe in. and other who think you have to be dirt poor. and both are extermes in my humble opinion.
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full great questions, im about to eat dinner, and when im done i will answer.
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cofty: maybe you see him shouting, i dont see him shouting. he is very passonite. either way he is no charlelton. i did get a chance onetime to talk with him on the phone. very nice guy.
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cofty: if you were to ask most ppl who believe in god or believe there christian, where are you going to go when you die? they would say heaven, ok, than ask them why. and you will get one of three answers normally, 1) because i am a good person, 2) because one time in my time i accepted jesus into my heart and i said the sinners prayer.3) i am a sinner who who can not save myself, and i have repented and trusted in jesus, and its only because of what he did for me that i can have salvation. now cofty sadly one and two is what is most often said by people, and he does a great service to ppl by explaing from scripture what it really means to come to the end of one self and to really trust(having life saving faith). in christ