Posts by sleepingbeauty

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Where do they say "start & stop 'study' = Bad Association?"

by InterestedOne in

i was wondering where (articles or books) the wt teaches that if you start a study & then stop, you become "bad association" and are treated almost like a df.

is this anywhere in the literature, or is it only an unwritten practice?

in the dictionary of jw-ese (http://www.cftf.com/dictionary/index.html#b), it says the practice has been discontinued, and i am wondering what an active jw would say about it if i asked.

sleepingbeauty

Its just a sort of unwritten practice. They will see it as though you are rejecting Jehovah and that you have become worse than those in the world because you have come to an accurate knowledge of the so called Truth & have therefore have chosen to dissassociate yourself... ! If someones knows the Truth and goes against it then they are worse than a person without Truth. In effect in their words they will liken you to a Dog who Returns to Its Vomit .... :0

They have such a lovely way with words...

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CO will sit in on my "study" this week: any suggestions?

by InterestedOne in

in my "study" with jw's, we're in ch 7 of the "bible teach" book.

we did pars 17-20 last week.

this week, the co is in town, and my conductor is having him sit in.

sleepingbeauty

I have no illusions that I will change the conductor or the CO. However, I want to be able to say to my friend that I understand what her org says, have asked questions of its representatives, listened to their responses, and can say specifically why their responses are not satisfactory to me. She may not change, but I want to at least be able to clearly explain to her why I think her org is not as sensible as she thinks it is.

The second you get to the point of trying to explain to your friend the reasons as to why you think her org is not sensible she will INSTANTLY shun you. She will consider you Bad Association and will avoid you like the plague. Unfortunate as it is, in your desire to get to know her better, you will actually cause a GREAT big division between you, and all your efforts will have come to nothing. She is programmed to react like this. Also noteworthy is that the moment you cut ties with your study conductor, he will feel duty bound to contact her so as to explain what has happened & that your study has been terminated... You are in a no win situation. :(

If you learn too much and back out of your studies she will get to know & shun you.
Learn not enough and she will still steer clear of you because your not a JW.
Talk to her about anything you think is wrong and you in her mind will be declared Apostate..

Your in an awkward position ... :0

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wakeing up family

by TheLoveDoctor in

sleepingbeauty

Not wanting to hi jack this thread - Welcome Star Tiger xxx

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Open apology from former elder

by im stuck in in

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friends

i just finished watching worlds apart and was very moved by it.

i served as an elder for many years.

i wanted to convey to all how sorry i am for all of the jc's i participated in.

sleepingbeauty

Just Stay Awake & Keep Your Senses !

Dont worry too much, you did those that you got rid of a favour in some respects. (They got out of the CULT). Ok, It is a shame that your actions caused many family breakups, but you did it at the time in good faith. Just be glad that you woke up when you did & that you didnt lose anymore time than you did to them. :)

Hugs

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Tyrant of a wife!

by whatistruth in

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friends

if i divulged just a few things she had done to me, you would never believe it.

i don't believe in this utter nonsense at all!

it is make belief brainwashing fear and guilt.

sleepingbeauty

I really do. If I divulged just a few things she had done to me, you would never believe it. So here it goes. I don't believe in this utter nonsense at all! It is make belief brainwashing fear and guilt. I NEED to get out of this cult badly! My wife believe in it all the way, devote, but mostly because every single person she has ever known in her life has been a jw. More than that she treats me like dog crap on the lawn. We fight every single day, she almost always starts them and when I do it is out of complete sadness of what my on shot at this world is like. It is horrible and would not wish it on my worst enemy. When we fight it lasts usually for about 3-4 hours of her constant screaming extreme cursing emotional abuse. I honestly try with her, I am not a bad guy at all.I need to start over!

Question is: How do I leave this cult with a wife like this, all hell would break loose! Also how do I leave her and the cult together, because believe me she will not make it easy and when it comes to that point I will actually be in fear of my life. This is very serious stuff here. I need help more than ever. Please help me with this horrible situation/prison I am in.

Big Hugs to you. I would tell her straight. You hate all this arguing and abuse and that if she persists on talking & treating you badly as she does then your going to walk. In this JW situation you are in you are the head of the house and she ought to respect that. Clearly she wont so get your walking boots on, and enter into the real world :~)

Lifes too short to stay in an unhappy realtionship. Have a good look at your finances & work out how you can do a sharp exit. Get out, Dont look back and Keep moving forward, regardless of whether the rest of your family are JW.. I just hope that there are no children involved.... x

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Private Discussion

by besty in

simon.

as most people seem to have worked out the private discussion and support part of the forum is not private beyond requiring a username.. today nugget and cantleave are having printouts of their posts in this section being used in evidence at their jc.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/204436/1/nugget-and-cantleave-are-no-longer-jehovahs-witnesses.

my suggestion is, if its possible, to create an invite-only section of the board for truly private support.. .

sleepingbeauty

I think the only reason why Cantleave & Nugget were found out was because Cantleaves facebook privacy settings became exposed when he upgraded to the New Profile... This meant his ID for here was exposed to all that knew him. Otherwise I agree a private section on here would be good. Not sure it would be full proof but its a start :)

xx

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Contribution Boxes At The Book Groups , Did You Donate More There Than The Hall ?

by Hairyhegoat in

this may have been covered a few years back but the thought came to me just how much money the wathtower lost in contributions when they got rid of the book study groups in witnesess homes.

my book group was at my parents house and as it was always full, over 30 drones every tuesday night.

this caused mayhem in the road outside with all the cars double parking etc... the jw's at my group always put loads of wonga into the tin on the welsh dresser!

sleepingbeauty

Thanx all who posted, seems like the UK drones were the only ones giving money, that was always a extra income for the WTBTS then.

HHG

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Missing references in CD

by peacefulpete in

another thread asked regarding references that have fallen from the wt cd and i recalled an interesting example that i recognized years ago.

when the first cd came out i and an elder looked up romans 2:16 and found at least 2 articles, maybe 3, that used the passage to say that some nonjws might be saved at armagedon if they acted conscienciously and had limited knowledge of the wt message.

both were 70's awakes if i remember right.

sleepingbeauty

I have a copy of the Watchtower Library 2003 on CD Rom. It contains details for all Watchtowers back to 1950, whilst the Awakes go back as far as 1970... (of course it has all the Kingdom Ministry's on it too & all other books & brochures).

pm me if anyones interested in having it too :)

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so what have i missed???

by oompa in

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been very self absorbed for awhilel....shame on me!!

but i called that crazy canadian chick the other day....god i love her voice and personality...and if you ever get to call or see mouthy...go for it!!!

!...she has more life in her now than i ever will.

sleepingbeauty

Welcome back oompa. Glad your on the mend now .... As for 'whats new' there have been a lot of newbie posters who have been lurking for a while. Many are still attending KH's & are starting to question .... :)

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To Zid

by brotherdan in

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sleepingbeauty

Big Hugs to You brotherdan .... Sorry that you appear to have been hung & strung before youve had chance to fight your corner :(