Posts by dreamgolfer

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Why a religion academic abandoned a plan for intensive study of JW doctrines

by MrMonroe in

michael gilmour, professor of engish and biblical literature at providence university college, manitoba, proposed a society of biblical literature workshop examining the watchtower society's use of scripture.

he thought they were poorly represented in deep academic analysis, particularly considering they have their own bible and are "persistent" (other people say "relentless") in their proselytizing.. in the end, he decided against it.

much of the reason is the suspicion and contempt held by jws towards "worldly" bible scholars, who, of course, may form different conclusions to those of the governing body.. james a. beverley, in his excellent book, "crtisis of allegiance," made the point that despite their claims to be bible scholars par excellence, the wts's writings or "research" are never (repeat never) cited by any other academics; none are ever persuaded by the claim that only the wts can understand the "deep things of god.".

dreamgolfer

If you have ever met anyone who was at Bethel for a period of time, worked on the writing commitee and has left, you'd understand why.

all they do is rehash the old dogma if it applies and "cut and paste" cut and paste" etc.

There is no deep philosophical gems there. Just stuff that was created in their own image to present to the "Sheeply JW masses"

You can't argue if you dont have the facts, over the past 10 years many of us have gotten facts from this wunnerful thing called the INTERNET

Their dowfall was not to BAN PC's in our homes when they began to BAN going to college,

Funny, I hear stories of folks bringin ipads to the KH and brothers have asked them to kindly "put it away" as it sets a bad example, oye vey - now that is crazy, setting a bad example at the KH

my rant for the week is now concluded, all may go back to a more meaningful day

shazam!

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Home Memorial Commemoration

by irondork in

we're a few months out but i want to start getting some ideas.. .

for those of you who commemorate the memorial at home, would you please share the format you use.

i don't intend to return to a jw-hosted event again.

dreamgolfer

Hey Look,

I have an idea...what if there was "a plan" for all who "fell away" to attend the memorial in 2012 and PARTAKE?

Look we could get one person to every hall (like Santa does on the 25th of Dec) and then voila CHUG it ALL Down, obviously at a KH that you are not known, Surprise Surprise Surprise

I think the #'s would be staggering " 200,000 + partook of the emblems, surely they ALL MUST BE NUTTERS" that would make the JW's get talked about ...so devious, so much fun to plan

Who is with me????

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Any Runners Here?

by zoiks in

anyone else like to run?

i started running regularly in the past year or so and am becoming addicted.

participated in my first 5k earlier this summer, a large even with about 2,500+ runners.

dreamgolfer

I run about 3 or 4 times a week - Mountain Bike too, I juice every morning, too!

Drink Coffee and have been thinking of starting HARD DRugs, too! (thats to see if anyone is paying attention) joke! :o)

Hey if there are any Runners in Raleigh/Durham Area, I would enjoy meeting up,

thanks!

DG

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MY JW DAD HAS CUT US OFF! WE ARE DEAD !

by Hairyhegoat in

jw
friends

well we don't care that he has cut us off!

we have 4 kids, he ain't going to see them before the grim reaper comes lookin for him.

my job skills are well in demand in alberta canada so that's our next move, we are getting out of the uk sinking ship asap, we have family in alberta who will sponsor us so i think it's time to leave and make a new start for our kids, as their aren't no jobs in the uk for them now even with university qualifications behind them.

dreamgolfer

I wanted to Move to Canada, but they dont like Americans so I Am stuck right here! Go to the GREAT WHITE NORTH Aye!

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2 Tier Watchtower Publications- 1) For Regulars and 2) For Door-to-Door

by dreamgolfer in

folks, i dont post much although i have been raised a jw all my life.. it has been awhile since this begain to bother me but i have to ask...what is the true story of why the wtbts created a 2nd edition for wt magazine placement purposes only?

i have been puzzled but can only suppose the reasons, costs, control, etc...but truly did they think that when ct russell started the magazine it was for all to read, not published for a "select few" and if you come regular to the meetings we'll get you the "real issue" with real articles?.

i know this has probably been discussed over and over, but please humor me and tell me how they can with a straight face "they" think this was "ok" to publish in this manner.. this alone smacks of hypocrasy, as it was not the intention of the faithful slave to do such a thing when jesus put control on earth in ct's hands, funny how that works out.

dreamgolfer

Thanks All, I appreciate the "boning up" of the old articles that help show the craziness of it all.

thanks for your time and patience, all notes posted are Equally appreciated. I agree, Russell was let go along time ago...duh what was I thinking about. A Publishing company, bottom line $$$$$ it's all about the Benjamins ain't it?

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2 Tier Watchtower Publications- 1) For Regulars and 2) For Door-to-Door

by dreamgolfer in

folks, i dont post much although i have been raised a jw all my life.. it has been awhile since this begain to bother me but i have to ask...what is the true story of why the wtbts created a 2nd edition for wt magazine placement purposes only?

i have been puzzled but can only suppose the reasons, costs, control, etc...but truly did they think that when ct russell started the magazine it was for all to read, not published for a "select few" and if you come regular to the meetings we'll get you the "real issue" with real articles?.

i know this has probably been discussed over and over, but please humor me and tell me how they can with a straight face "they" think this was "ok" to publish in this manner.. this alone smacks of hypocrasy, as it was not the intention of the faithful slave to do such a thing when jesus put control on earth in ct's hands, funny how that works out.

dreamgolfer

Folks, I dont post much although I have been raised a JW all my life.

It has been awhile since this begain to bother me but I have to ask...What is the TRUE STORY of why the WTBTS created a 2nd edition for WT magazine placement purposes only? I have been puzzled but can only suppose the reasons, costs, control, etc...but truly did they think that When CT Russell started the magazine it was for ALL to read, not published for a "select few" and if you come regular to the meetings we'll get you the "Real issue" with real articles?

I know this has probably been discussed over and over, but please humor me and tell me how they can with a straight face "THEY" think this was "OK" to publish in this manner.

This alone smacks of hypocrasy, as it was not the intention of the Faithful slave to do such a thing when Jesus put control on earth in CT's hands, funny how that works out. They have decided to create a 2-tier system of knowledge.

Somehow I dont think that is what Jesus wanted when he said "Come all who are thirsty drink". Maybe he would have said, "Come all who are good enough, I will give you CLEAN water, those that are not worthy, I will find something almost as good for the time being"

Okay, let the responses begin I want to read how this is justified by those that know

thank you!

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Front Load Washers. Are they good?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

i have been thinking about getting front load washer for my home, but i have not decided which brand, etc to get.

any recommendations?.

dreamgolfer

Superb! Get clothes cleaner, use less water, and are quieter,

have had one for 10 years+ will NEVER go back to Top load!

Cheers!

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Judas, why???

by dreamgolfer in

why do jw's continually "trash" judas for betraying jesus?.

isn't it due to jesus death that we all have the opportunity for salvation?

i am not suggesting we treat judas as a hero, but he was fortold to betray, jesus knew it was going to happen and went along with it.. if judas did not betray, what if jesus was not put to death, where would we all be now?.

dreamgolfer

Why do JW's continually "trash" Judas for betraying Jesus?

Isn't it due to Jesus death that we all have the opportunity for salvation? I am not suggesting we treat Judas as a hero, but he was fortold to betray, Jesus knew it was going to happen and went along with it.

If Judas did not betray, what if Jesus was not put to death, where would we all be now?

It's one thing to be grateful for Jesus deat, but why condemn the fellow that helped move it along.

Do others struggle with that in all the talks and comments made over the years?

Thanks for your input

DG

USA

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Comment on the Dec 15th 2010 WT Article #3

by dreamgolfer in

to all that have an interest, i am eager to hear your response to the statement on page 20, par.

"in fact,......(quoting matt 25:34-40).

are we to believe that those in the org, are like the nethinim that came out of babylon, we are "slaves" - wt 4/15 1992 page 13 par 14-23. i am interested as an elder has made this an example of equality to view jw's stance today.. i am also sending out a 2nd question for response with regrads to judas.. thanks.

dreamgolfer

To all that have an interest, I am eager to hear your response to the statement on page 20, par. #19. "In fact,......(quoting MAtt 25:34-40)

Are we to believe that those in the Org, are like the Nethinim that came out of Babylon, we are "slaves" - WT 4/15 1992 page 13 par 14-23

I am interested as an elder has made this an example of equality to view JW's stance today.

I am also sending out a 2nd question for response with regrads to Judas.

Thanks

DG

USA

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WT December 15, 2010

by Designer Stubble in

wt december 15, 2010. snippets from this watchtower are below.

keeping in mind that all articles are written with an agenda, to address problems in the organization or to pave the way for new guidelines, look at what i highlighted.

my conclusions are:.

dreamgolfer

Just new at this...but now are we not to understand that the GB is made up of Regular folks, no more "Anointed ones" as mentioned back in 2000?