Posts by mochamint22

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why are witnesses so ridiculous????

by mochamint22 in

so it's been a while since i've posted on the site to hello everyone.

i just am so irritated by these fools that i have to tell you guys about this.

so my husband was on his way to the store and he stopped to pump gas and there were some witnesses doing street witnessing and this brother gets out and comes up to him (i was at home, this is my hubby telling me about this) this happens to be the po of the spanish hall my mother goes to.

mochamint22

Niiiiice. I like that idea!

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why are witnesses so ridiculous????

by mochamint22 in

so it's been a while since i've posted on the site to hello everyone.

i just am so irritated by these fools that i have to tell you guys about this.

so my husband was on his way to the store and he stopped to pump gas and there were some witnesses doing street witnessing and this brother gets out and comes up to him (i was at home, this is my hubby telling me about this) this happens to be the po of the spanish hall my mother goes to.

mochamint22

Yes, I thought about contacting the instructor and telling her that I do not appreciate preaching in the class. That's not the purpose of the class at all. What I replied was that this is a Biology course, the study of living organisms, and that her religious bias has no place in the class. Biology is a form of science and science is based on FACTS not someone's opinion about the spiritual aspect of things. The teacher also made a comment reply to her stating that she needs to look at her own comments and realize the fallacy of what she was saying. She hasnt said another religious word so far. The other thing is that this witness lady is also in my other class as well and I'm like UGH! she hasn't said anything about religion yet, but i'm just waiting........

On another note, I kind of have a mind to just call up my mom and be like, No i dont wanna be a witness anymore and NO i'm not teaching my kids the "truth" and NO i dont give a damn who you tell. Those people don't walk in my shoes, they don't live my life so why the heck should I care about what they think. I don't even talk to my mother often enough for it to really matter anyway. The last time I talked to her was in like Oct. And it's rather refreshing if I may say so myself. It's just so toxic and hypocritical that it turns my stomach.

Also, last night my husband found some youtube vid that was talking about an early 90s Awake article that was talking about JWs stance on blood and how they actually had pictures of people that died because they didn't accept blood. Can you imagine that! Like its some great honor. It was blue and white and had pics of people on the front. I know I'm not giving you guys much to work with here but i cant find the vid on youtube to get the exact date. but if anyone knows what i'm talking about and knows where i can see a copy of this thatd be greatly appreciated.

mochamint

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why are witnesses so ridiculous????

by mochamint22 in

so it's been a while since i've posted on the site to hello everyone.

i just am so irritated by these fools that i have to tell you guys about this.

so my husband was on his way to the store and he stopped to pump gas and there were some witnesses doing street witnessing and this brother gets out and comes up to him (i was at home, this is my hubby telling me about this) this happens to be the po of the spanish hall my mother goes to.

mochamint22

So it's been a while since i've posted on the site to hello everyone. i just am so irritated by these fools that I have to tell you guys about this. so my husband was on his way to the store and he stopped to pump gas and there were some witnesses doing street witnessing and this brother gets out and comes up to him (i was at home, this is my hubby telling me about this) this happens to be the PO of the spanish hall my mother goes to. (those of you that know my story know what kind of ish i've been through with her and her congregation) so this guy tries to give my husband an Atalaya! aka Awake and he didn't take it and the brother says, "don't i know you from somewhere?" to which my husband says yes I'm sister Wells' (my mom) son-in-law. then the next question out of his dirty little mouth is, "where's your wife, is she still going to the meetings? Where?" To which my hubby totally lied and said yes i'm still going and that he didn't know the name of the congo just that it's up north. LMAO. i haven't been to a meeting since i last saw this brother which has been probably 2 yrs. So you know he's gonna run back and tell my mother --whos a beloved pioneer-- about this. ha ha...i'm waiting to see if shes going to call me about it.

i'm going to school full time (i know! forbidden, lol) and theres this dumbass witness in my class. the classes i take are completely online and this fool woman keeps trying to preach to people on the stupid class discussion board. I'm taking a Biology course and we're talking about thought fallacies and the professor said we all have to post an example of a thought fallacy. here's hers...i almost puked when i read it:

"Recently, I was told that Jehovah's witnesses believe that 144,000 are going to heaven and preach such because they want to be the first ones to make it to heaven.

This person has not bothered to learn anything about Jehovah's Witnesses because if they had, they would know that today there are over seven million Jehovah's Witnesses world wide.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe, as the Bible says at Revelation chapter 7:4, that there are some who have a heavenly hope the number being 144,000. But Revelation 7:9 also speaks of a "great crowd which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples, and tongues" who will live forever on the earth.

Instead of repeating what you have heard, it would be a good idea to do research and learn for yourselve what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. You could even speak with one of Jehovah's Witnesses so that they can give you correct information about their beliefs. "

REALLY?!! Yes i bet someone JUST told you that......of all the things that you could talk about, you make some dumb ass comment trying to further the work. I bet that fool was counting service time too when she studies for this class since shes throwing in stupid crap like this. Then this lady comments on a man's post about how a fallacy example for him was how his friend moved into an old house that people think are haunted because the lights flicker. He said that it's a fallacy because it's more likely that the home is just old and there are issues with the wiring since its so old. What was miss witness' reply? Im sure she typed slow and got about 30 mins more which she rounded to an hour of service time. Here you go:

"I disagree with your point that the house is just old and drafty.

In looking at the website,----removed---- it states that the light could flicker if the wiring is old. But nothing about the TVor radio actually turning on by themselves. And the house should not be that drafty where the posters are ripping off the walls.

They could have problems with wicked spirits. These powerful wicked angels have caused a lot of sleepless nights for many. According to the Bible at Deuteronomy 18:10-12, spiritism is demonic and is condenmed by God. So if we are involved in any form of spiritism, we could have demon attacks."

Why are these fools so persistent? I posted a comment stating that religion has no place in our forum. The professor also shut her down. HA HA

Thoughts????

Mochamint

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Hi, new to this forum. Figured I'd let everyone know about my story before I got involved.

by JonathanH in

if you just want the juicy details where i leave, i'll make disclaimer where it begins, if you just want to know what happened with the elders and organization after i realized it wasn't true, i'll mark that seperately.

we didn't do jack shit in service, or in the congregation.

maybe this was how jehovah came about?

mochamint22

Hi there. I read your story and I want to commend you for writing it. It takes a lot of courage to put your emotions out there. My heart dropped as I read about your sister and as the pieces started to fall apart surrounding your DFing. I have been "inactive" for a couple years now and I haven't DAd myself only so that I can maintain my relationship with my brother. But, I fear, that too will soon come to light. I have no interest in blindly following this religion anymore and I refuse to teach my kids this way of life. Just wanted to say that I am sorry for your losses, but you have gained freedom thru all of it and you will start to feel a lot better as time passes. I hope that your wife will start to sort things out. But it's a hard process and most times, it's just easier to ignore it and act like it doesnt exist. That's how I operate currently. I don't think about it and act like its not even a factor.

Mochamint

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Verifiable Former Bethelite Willing to Answer questions

by Uzzah in

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i am a former active poster here, former elder, former bethelite and pretty much known by people on the xjw boards since the mid 90's.

gawd that makes me sound old.. i notice that a great deal of uproar is being made by allegations of a hide in the closet alleged bethelite.

to counter the damage caused by this claim, i am happy to address any questions people may have about bethel, protocol, etc.. i was at the canada branch for 11 years, worked in multiple areas including the legal department, service desk and writing dept.

mochamint22

Yeah I agree with the points on the mental health. My mom, who's still very much in- regular pioneer- told me that the WT changed things saying that it's ok now to seek that kind of treatment and it's ok to go to a mental health professional whereas before it was frowned upon because you were thought to be putting your faith in man. Maybe it's got to do with all those suicides that keep happening. I know I tried it- in that moment I just figured that I was dead anyway- a walking corpse in my moms direct words to me- so I just figured, why put this off? Let's just get it over with right now. Be done with it all. Yes, this religion does a number, and thats putting it lightly, on one's mental health. Yes the gossip is TERRIBLE. If you're not part of a clique then just forget it! you're nothing, no one. not important. There's even cliques for going out in service. There's nothing worse than being put in a car group and seeing that person's face looking like they don't wanna go with you. LAME.I vividly remember many times I was going door to door ALONE bc I was the third wheel or just didn't wanna be with someone pretending to like me since i wasnt part of their clique. UGH. nauseating...

moe

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picture of JW child baptism ... link to news paper

by Aussie Oz in

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i won't post the picture as it may breach some copyright or something.

here is the link.

http://www.caller.com/photos/galleries/2010/aug/21/jehovahs-witnesses-baptism/.

mochamint22

Yes this is just DISGUSTING. LIARS, LIARS, LIARS!!!! I was baptized at 11, my brother at 13, and my other brother at 12. SERIOUSLY? No pressure? all I ever heard was "when are you going to take the next step?" Yes, once you hit a certain age and you weren't baptized yet, people started to look at you like you were bad association because, as someone already said, you're viewed as not being spiritual minded. "When are you going to take the next step?" "You need to get more hours in service." Then after I got baptized it was, "why aren't you pioneering?" so i auxillary pioneered for a while- hating every moment of it. Then it was, "when are you going to regular pioneer so you can go to pioneer school?" Then I became regular pioneer and then right before going to pioneer school, I got DFd cuz I couldn't do it anymore. Oh god was I the BLACK sheep- no pun intended. The point - about them being DFd or Reprooved in a decade or less is SO SO true. It's what happened to me. 6 years after my baptism, i was DFd---that's 17 guys---can you imagine being in the back room w/three nasty brothers staring you down asking how many times you had sex and if you enjoyed it, if you used a condom, ect? Horrifying. this is a straight up lie that they don't baptize children and it turns my stomach. And what a load of crock saying no sanctions for accepting a blood transfusion. Literally, I almost threw up in my mouth, it's so disgusting to me- the lies. ughhhhhh! that's all i can say so i'll end it there.

moe

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Do You Folks Wanna Hear My Story?

by Farkel in

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i've already written "my story".

i've been "out" for 35 years.

but that is not a story that contains the little stuff.

mochamint22

I would like to read your stories. I would like to hear them because I am young and would like to compare your experiences with mine in the past decade or so. Please do tell Farkel

moe

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What emotions have you been coping with?

by mochamint22 in

i wanted to dedicate this posts to just talking about the emotional scars we all have had or maybe still have.

was there a gap of time between you thinking you didn't want to continue and actually, consciously, deciding to no longer continue as on of jws?

it's amazing to me the strong hold this religion puts on you.

mochamint22

I keep bouncing back and forth in my head thinking that I'm making a mistake doing the following: being on this website; my continued research outside of the "organization"; even thinking in my head that what I've been taught is a lie; then i go right back to feeling angry, confused, distraught at the fact I don't and can't have a relationship with my mother. She shuns me just because I don't go to the meetings. I'm not DFd just "inactive" but it doesn't matter. It's the same thing to her. ANYWAY, it feels like a vicious cycle with her.

moe

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Can't read apostacy, can't question God

by Joey Jo-Jo in

hi,.

im looking into quotes and references from the wbts about not being allowed to read apostacy and not to question god and test faith.. .

thanks.

mochamint22

So yeah, cant read apostacy! I don't have any quotes BUT I wanna tell you guys about something that just happened tonight:

I was talking to my little bro, whos still an active witness, and he tells me that he just got put on private reproof this past monday for fornicating with his worldly ex-girlfriend. He had the judicial committe and they said since he went to them about it, they just put him on private reproof. He's not even sorry about it. I wonder if they referred to the elder book before the meeting??? He said he wasn't crying or distraught, or worried about it at all. He seriously doesn't care about it and would do it again. As I was talking to him tonight, he was bringing up a porn web page. And I asked him, why are you looking at porn? He said," porn's not fornication. It's different. " Comments people please. help me understand this???

ANYWAYZ

i started talking to him about C T Russell's early teachings and how the NWT doesn't match the other versions, false "prophesies", and asked him what he thinks about it. He said, "I don't think anything about it." He acknowledged that it makes sense why I'm questioning everything, but he is so INSIDE the organization's mentality, he said that it makes sense that there would be changes in the NWT because it helps people understand the bible better. He said, there's no way the bible can have contradictions so they have to fix that. I'm like DUH THATS MY POINT EXACTLY. WHY BELIEVE IN SOMEONE WHO CHANGES THE PURE WORD OF GOD? He also said that there was no comment made about this "new light" with the overlapping generations mentioned at his convention so that means that it's not true. apostate source material. HMMMMM

HELP ME OUT HERE PEEPS!!

MOE

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What emotions have you been coping with?

by mochamint22 in

i wanted to dedicate this posts to just talking about the emotional scars we all have had or maybe still have.

was there a gap of time between you thinking you didn't want to continue and actually, consciously, deciding to no longer continue as on of jws?

it's amazing to me the strong hold this religion puts on you.

mochamint22

Hi Tara,

I'm the original poster for this and I wanna say thank you. I appreciate your words so much because you and everyone else sharing is slowly helping me cope w/the feelings I've been dealing with. If you want to see a little more in depth about me and my "story" you can look at my post titled "Eyes Recently Opened" (that was the night i decided to register and make my first post) It's really difficult for me because I've been told the same thing: You're either a witness or you're not. Then my parent tells me the scripture that says you can't slave for two masters. But you know what? It's Jehovah or Satan. Not The Governing Body or Satan. I still love Jehovah, although I do feel my relationship with him has never been the same since my traumatic experiences (again see my other post for details). I too, first, was scared to even click the link to come to this site. I remember the brothers specifically naming this website, saying to stay away from it! Then I started reading it and felt compelled to register. I wasn't even looking to converse with anyone. Just wanted a place to put everything out there, even if it wasn't read, as a form of therapy. I've only joined this site a couple days ago, but I've been coming here everyday since. I've received such a warm, non-judgmental welcome. It feels AMAZING to be able to say what I feel and have other people understand me. I have a good non witness friend from work that I talk to about everything, but she doesn't get it. She cant, she wasn't raised a witness like me. I've never ever researched the early history of Jehovah's Witnesses and the little bit that I have researched has me still in shock. I had no idea the GB changed the words of the BIBLE to prove their points. The ever changing doctrines. The other thing is, I was always taught that only JWs know and use Jah's name. I was surprised to find out, thats not true. Well, we can talk about religion part later, but I just want you to know that it took a lot of courage for you to start posting and I promise that you are going to see that as you "get it out there, get it off your chest" it makes it easier. All of a sudden, you don't have to hold things in-you'll see that it's OK to talk about what you TRULY feel. Take care Tara, welcome to the blog-

moe