I'm thinking about that since I left.
And I came to the same conclusions.
Seems there's no point to exist at all.
But I doubt there's no goal.
If we (or they) don't fully understand the main goal, it doesn't mean there's none.
John_Mann
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What's Is The Goal Of This Religion?
by pale.emperor inwhat's is the goal of this religion?.
i mean, if it's for money they could do a lot more like other religions do: tithing, paying for prayers from the gb, selling "miracles", selling "blessed" items, selling courses.. if its for power then what are they hoping to do with that power?
they dont seem to do anything.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
The Catholic Church accepts the theory of evolution regarding the human body and its animal soul (kind of a BIOS). And believes God directly created a soul in one of these human bodies in some point in history.
If that's new for you, it's not for catholics.
"... if the origin of the human body comes through living matter which existed previously, the spiritual soul is created directly by God ("animas enim a Deo immediate creari catholica fides non retimere iubet"). "
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
OK Viviane I see you makes no difference between a human being and a pig.
I think this is a horrible view. It's pointless to keep a conversation with a pig or a goat.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
Cofty, did you read about the bicameral mind hypothesis?
It's thought people even could not perceive the blue color in ancient times.
And the modern human behaviour theory says it started at least half of the time you mentioned.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
What exactly sounds insane to you?
The time (6,000)?
Do you agree modern consciousness must had started somewhere in time? When do you think it happened?
Do you agree that modern humans are the only specie to develop a sophisticated consciousness? Like to be aware of the own death and concepts like infinity, justice and beauty?
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
Yes, my mistake to call them humanoids. They were anatomically modern humans.
And I'm advocating just one catholic tradition about putting an approximate date to the MRCA.
Some traditions of thought says the dates can be stretched and not be the literal genealogy in Gospels.
But the concept of humankind having a common ancestor who received a soul directly from the Creator of the universe is the main belief.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
There's a psychological theory that says these people maybe not were conscious at all. The modern human behaviour is very recent in history.
Read the link about Bicameralism in my previous post.
http://www.functionalneurology.com/materiale_cic/224_XXII_1/2108_the%20bicamiral/index.html
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
Well I have no objections with the scientific theory about the origin of life. The theory of evolution is the most beautiful theory in science and it explains a lot in different areas (economics, languages, etc).
We catholics believe God created directly the universe (Big Bang theory was made by a Catholic priest BTW).
And about 6 thousand years ago God created the first soul in one of the several races of humanoids (following the pattern of "chosen people") . Afterwards this race had a very obvious advantage and killed or/and assimilated the other humanoids. God directly creates every soul since then.
And we believe this soul is immortal and have some conditions to achieve while in this animal body (with a mortal animal soul too).
Sorry my broken English. I have about three languages stored in my mind.
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
"l'm puzzled about what your point is. Are you saying nobody had a "soul" until 3000 years ago?"
That's the Christian position. The first humanoid received a soul about 4,000 BC. And it became the firs human with a soul.
This is an interesting psychology theory about it:
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Origin of Life
by cofty inin recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?
as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.
there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.
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John_Mann
I said the Genesis account does not have a scientific precision.
But the concept of a common ancestor just a few thousand years ago it's not unscientific.
And you're very wrong about the MRCA of humans had existed just millions of years ago.
There's the bottleneck effect too...