while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
Lots of problems of definition there John.
When you say "no animal" can conceive infinity you are assuming that humans are not animals, and you are drawing a distinction that needs to be proved rather than simply asserted.
Yes, I see what you mean.
But you know what I mean right?
I accept suggestions about the phrasing.
I accept humans are animals anatomically speaking. But I'd in mind the "software" in them.
C1/Premise A: No other animal specie can conceive infinity.
Better?
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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Actually I don't have a lot of knowledge about the scientific method among Muslims. I know they made significant achievements in scientific knowledge. I'll research about it.
For now I can rephrase what I said. Instead of "Christian" you can read "Abrahamic tradition".
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
Here's some reasoning of mine about the cause of human mind:
Premise A: No animal can conceive infinity.
Premise B: Human mind can conceive infinity.
Conclusion 1: The origin of human mind cannot be traced to any animal.
Premise A: The human mind must have a cause.
Premise B: Only infinity can contain infinity.
Premise C: The cause of human mind must be infinity.
Premise D: This cause must possess the intentional ability to manipulate infinity.
Conclusion 2: Human mind was caused by an infinite mind.
C1 + C2: Human mind have no natural cause. It's cause must be supernatural.
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
That's not at all what faith is. It's certainly not logic of any kind.Yes, faith is more than reason alone. But faith seeks reason. But some articles of faith cannot be reasoned. For example, I have faith my soul will be saved in my particular Judgement.
Do you know what logic is?
Here's some reasoning of mine about the cause of human mind:
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
It sounds to me like you are describing a process whereby 'God' has been created in man's image...
Good point, I understand what you mean. And this impression can also be said if someone was describing a statue of you. The description of you and one statue of you could be hard to differentiate.
And by the way...belief in such a god as you describe requires 'faith', not rationality.
To believe universe itself can be understood with human reason requires faith too.
And that's what we do.
There's no warranty or proof of ANY kind I will be alive tomorrow but my plans and my thoughts are made upon faith that I'll be alive in next years.
Faith itself it's not a bad thing, but I agree with you that faith in some premises can be harmful.
The premise of faith is that our rational minds can't be traceable to any animal and our minds can bear the concept of infinity. It's logical to conclude our rational minds came from something higher.
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
How do you know that? And please don't reply with quotes from an old book...I want to know how YOU know what you claim you do
Because our rational soul, responsible to our reasoning, was created directly by God to reflect his image.
And our rational minds hate paradoxes. Every system of thought created by humans tries to avoid paradoxes. So it's a very well established universal trait in human reasoning.
Doesn't matter if someone is trying to make a good or evil system of thought. Paradoxes will be avoided by both sides.
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
Erm... what about the Book of Optics byAlhazen, a muslim?
Science is a method not books. A book about optics is not about the scientific method.
Some books are validated by the scientific method and assimilated to scientific knowledge.
One idea from a Catholic friar became directly a part of the very scientific method, for example.
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
John Mann would it have been impossible for God to create a world with free will, but without suffering? If you say that would be impossible it does seem to set a limit on God.
God doesn't like paradoxes.
Our rational soul is an image of God's attributes. Some attributes we reflect in fullness like liberty. We perceived liberty in its infinity form.
So we can approach the problem of limiting liberty.
If God had limited our freedom just to one thing someone could object the possibility of God had limited something more. And that's would be a valid question ( related to our sense of justice).
We know we have infinite freedom inside our minds. Our souls are total free to think anything and make judgements based on these free flights.
What would be if you reached a wall in your free will?
Automatically your sense of justice would protest about it and in a valid way.
Suffering is a consequence of choice of evil. If the majority of humanity chose not to do evil I think we would be able to solve almost every physical problem. Imagine using all the military research in science to cure diseases... I think (even in our fallen condition) we could cure any disease and prevent any accident.
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
Catholics wrote the Bible?
Maybe Catholics re-wrote the Bible (St Jerome and others) but without a time machine I don't know how you could credit any Catholic with writing any of the Bible.
I'm talking about the New Testament. And the first Christians were former Jews, they can say they inherited the Jewish tradition in first hand too.
But that's another very long discussion...
while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
I agree that it seems impossible for us to reconcile God's almightiness and his goodness in our mind amid a world with so much suffering.
