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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

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  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Show me evidence that no other animal besides humans can't and I'll grant your premise.

  Behaviorism.
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Not in the least. You're still making claims and conflating two conclusions without any reason to believe several of the claims are true.
  Also, it's really, really bad logic.
  So, no, it's NOT better.

  So you say my premise is false?

  So tell what non human animal can conceive infinity.

  Maybe a snake?
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Premise A: No infant can understand Shakespeare
  Premise B: Adult humans can understand Shakespeare
  Conclusion 1: The origin of adult humans cannot be traced to any infant.

  Shakespeare is not the sense of infinity. But Shakespeare can be learned. The sense of infinity just appear some point in our minds, it's not learned.
  
  
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Lots of problems of definition there John.
  When you say "no animal" can conceive infinity you are assuming that humans are not animals, and you are drawing a distinction that needs to be proved rather than simply asserted.

  Yes, I see what you mean.

  But you know what I mean right?

  I accept suggestions about the phrasing.

  I accept humans are animals anatomically speaking. But I'd in mind the "software" in them.

  C1/Premise A: No other animal specie can conceive infinity.

  Better?
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  K99

  Actually I don't have a lot of knowledge about the scientific method among Muslims. I know they made significant achievements in scientific knowledge. I'll research about it.

  For now I can rephrase what I said. Instead of "Christian" you can read "Abrahamic tradition".
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Here's some reasoning of mine about the cause of human mind:

  Premise A: No animal can conceive infinity.
  Premise B: Human mind can conceive infinity.
  
  Conclusion 1: The origin of human mind cannot be traced to any animal.
  
  Premise A: The human mind must have a cause.
  Premise B: Only infinity can contain infinity.
  Premise C: The cause of human mind must be infinity.
  Premise D: This cause must possess the intentional ability to manipulate infinity.
  
  Conclusion 2: Human mind was caused by an infinite mind.
  
  C1 + C2: Human mind have no natural cause. It's cause must be supernatural.
  
  
  
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  That's not at all what faith is. It's certainly not logic of any kind.
  Do you know what logic is?

  Yes, faith is more than reason alone. But faith seeks reason. But some articles of faith cannot be reasoned. For example, I have faith my soul will be saved in my particular Judgement.

  Here's some reasoning of mine about the cause of human mind:
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  It sounds to me like you are describing a process whereby 'God' has been created in man's image...

  Good point, I understand what you mean. And this impression can also be said if someone was describing a statue of you. The description of you and one statue of you could be hard to differentiate.

  And by the way...belief in such a god as you describe requires 'faith', not rationality.

  To believe universe itself can be understood with human reason requires faith too.

  And that's what we do.
  

  There's no warranty or proof of ANY kind I will be alive tomorrow but my plans and my thoughts are made upon faith that I'll be alive in next years.

  Faith itself it's not a bad thing, but I agree with you that faith in some premises can be harmful.

  The premise of faith is that our rational minds can't be traceable to any animal and our minds can bear the concept of infinity. It's logical to conclude our rational minds came from something higher.
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  How do you know that? And please don't reply with quotes from an old book...I want to know how YOU know what you claim you do

  Because our rational soul, responsible to our reasoning, was created directly by God to reflect his image.

  And our rational minds hate paradoxes. Every system of thought created by humans tries to avoid paradoxes. So it's a very well established universal trait in human reasoning.

  Doesn't matter if someone is trying to make a good or evil system of thought. Paradoxes will be avoided by both sides.
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Erm... what about the Book of Optics byAlhazen, a muslim?

  Science is a method not books. A book about optics is not about the scientific method.

  Some books are validated by the scientific method and assimilated to scientific knowledge.

  One idea from a Catholic friar became directly a part of the very scientific method, for example.