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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

Because it's not demonstable and it's not provable. It's scientific terms it's a worthless concept. That's why it can be logically ruled out.
Until such time you can demonstrate it, obviously.

Asking scientific proof for a philosophical question?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

Cofty

I noticed that you approach the problem of evil with natural disasters. Specially the asian tsunami of 2004.

That's a good point.

But you know is very easy to predict a tsunami and that region is very familiar with this natural problem.

Why there was no warning about that tsunami?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO412C.html

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

Show me evidence that no other animal besides humans can't and I'll grant your premise.

Behaviorism.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

Not in the least. You're still making claims and conflating two conclusions without any reason to believe several of the claims are true.
Also, it's really, really bad logic.
So, no, it's NOT better.

So you say my premise is false?

So tell what non human animal can conceive infinity.

Maybe a snake?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

Premise A: No infant can understand Shakespeare
Premise B: Adult humans can understand Shakespeare
Conclusion 1: The origin of adult humans cannot be traced to any infant.

Shakespeare is not the sense of infinity. But Shakespeare can be learned. The sense of infinity just appear some point in our minds, it's not learned.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

Lots of problems of definition there John.
When you say "no animal" can conceive infinity you are assuming that humans are not animals, and you are drawing a distinction that needs to be proved rather than simply asserted.

Yes, I see what you mean.

But you know what I mean right?

I accept suggestions about the phrasing.

I accept humans are animals anatomically speaking. But I'd in mind the "software" in them.

C1/Premise A: No other animal specie can conceive infinity.

Better?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

K99

Actually I don't have a lot of knowledge about the scientific method among Muslims. I know they made significant achievements in scientific knowledge. I'll research about it.

For now I can rephrase what I said. Instead of "Christian" you can read "Abrahamic tradition".

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

Here's some reasoning of mine about the cause of human mind:

Premise A: No animal can conceive infinity.
Premise B: Human mind can conceive infinity.

Conclusion 1: The origin of human mind cannot be traced to any animal.

Premise A: The human mind must have a cause.
Premise B: Only infinity can contain infinity.
Premise C: The cause of human mind must be infinity.
Premise D: This cause must possess the intentional ability to manipulate infinity.

Conclusion 2: Human mind was caused by an infinite mind.

C1 + C2: Human mind have no natural cause. It's cause must be supernatural.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

That's not at all what faith is. It's certainly not logic of any kind.
Do you know what logic is?

Yes, faith is more than reason alone. But faith seeks reason. But some articles of faith cannot be reasoned. For example, I have faith my soul will be saved in my particular Judgement.

Here's some reasoning of mine about the cause of human mind:

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

John_Mann

It sounds to me like you are describing a process whereby 'God' has been created in man's image...

Good point, I understand what you mean. And this impression can also be said if someone was describing a statue of you. The description of you and one statue of you could be hard to differentiate.

And by the way...belief in such a god as you describe requires 'faith', not rationality.

To believe universe itself can be understood with human reason requires faith too.

And that's what we do.

There's no warranty or proof of ANY kind I will be alive tomorrow but my plans and my thoughts are made upon faith that I'll be alive in next years.

Faith itself it's not a bad thing, but I agree with you that faith in some premises can be harmful.

The premise of faith is that our rational minds can't be traceable to any animal and our minds can bear the concept of infinity. It's logical to conclude our rational minds came from something higher.

John_Mann

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