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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

John_Mann

The truth is you was once very naive to believe in cultish theologies like the awful JW and Pentecostal faiths.

And when you realized how wrong they are you felt very ashamed of yourself. This overwhelming shame became revolt. So you feel a need to fight against anything related to God. And in your actual worldview you can't even imagine a logical concept of God is possible.

And you continue to be very naive when you say your atheism is validated by science. Or when you try to use science to argument against philosophical and metaphysical matters.

If you was a Catholic or a traditional Protestant you would never pass through an existential crisis. Being a traditional Christian would not prevent you to accomplish anything you like.

It was not Christianity the cause of your deception.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

John_Mann

My criticism of theism applies equally to every form of theology that teaches a loving god made the world.

No. Your criticism is only valid to creationism and calvinism. You always have in mind the JW and Pentecostal concepts of God. It's easy to be an atheist beating a very poor concept of God. It's almost a strawman fallacy.

My knowledge of theology is excellent. Unlike you I don't use it as an excuse to obfuscate.

You have a very poor knowledge about theology and philosophy (specially philosophy of science). Looks like you only know JW and calvinist theology.

Reality and theology are in opposition.

Just your opinion.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

John_Mann

Not to your god it doesn't. It works precisely as he designed it to work.

As usual you have a calvinist view of God. This concept of God is ridiculous and I'm an atheist to this concept of God too.

Catholics follow molinism and not calvinism.

And you always mix up concepts of nature, will and intellect of God.

You have a very poor concept of God. You think God is some Marvel's superhero.

There are (natural) truths that are independent of God's will and these truths comes directly from the God's nature and are the same in all possible worlds (including the ones in your dreams).

If you want to be a better critic you must study about molinism first.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

John_Mann

I don't think natural disasters are equal to murder.

The material world works in a very random way.

And we believe in immortal souls that are not affected by death.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

John_Mann

It's the hardest Problem of theism.

But like parents submitting children under painful medical treatment, sometimes apparent evil is needed for a greater good. We don't know the big picture.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

John_Mann

I already talked with you about the problem of (natural) evil.

It's the hardest Problem of theism.

But like parents submitting children under painful medical treatment, sometimes apparent evil is needed for a greater good. We don't know the big picture.

The Bible is a codified book.

Outside Catholic Church it doesn't make any sense. So you're in the right path when you say Bible is nonsense (because you take the Sola Scriptura approach).

The Bible is all about salvation of the soul.

Someday your Will will be enlighted by the Grace of God and your intellect will understand the reality of God.

Just feed your intellect with more views and concepts of God. Try to read about the Catholic and/or Jewish faith. Forget about the Sola Scriptura nonsense.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

John_Mann

You are very concerned with problems of the material world.

God is about the life of the soul.

He chose us from mud.

Think about your ability to conceive the infinity, justice and beauty.

Don't think about evolutionary survival or the Bible. Christianity existed for almost 400 years without the Bible and Jesus didn't wrote anything.

Don't see the Bible as an idol (like the Protestants). And don't see science as and idol too. Science is just a tool and it's not the Thor's hammer.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

John_Mann

God will remains a mystery because we are in a kind of test.

In this time we need free will. Free will needs total privacy. That's why nobody can read our thoughts.

Now in heaven nobody has free will because they saw God directly. At the time you see God there's a transformation and you can't be a human anymore.

There's no free will if you can see God. Like if you have to choose between a marble palace or a piece of chalk.

Jews say that the existence of God in this universe it's like the subtle flavor of wine left in a glass. That's enough for the game of life.

God can be reached through philosophy or/and intuition.

God is not a scientific experiment.

Search your intuition and you will know.

Try to develop your intuition doing some art.

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Does Paul preach a fundamentally different religion than Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

controversy has arisen regarding jesus versus paul as scholars debate the different emphases and messages of jesus and paul.1 jesus preached the kingdom of heaven.

paul did not.

paul preached justification by faith alone.

John_Mann

While you cannot judge the eternal destination of people, anyone can (and must) judge actions made by people.

If somebody insists in evil acts you can decide not to associate with it. And you can only do that with a personal judgement. To judge is to decide.

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Does Paul preach a fundamentally different religion than Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

controversy has arisen regarding jesus versus paul as scholars debate the different emphases and messages of jesus and paul.1 jesus preached the kingdom of heaven.

paul did not.

paul preached justification by faith alone.

John_Mann

The Jews were trying to continue the original monotheistic thought that started in Egypt (Aten). Maybe Moses is the link between Aten and YHVH. Maybe he had access to the secret cult of Aten.

YHVH was just one god among many gods. And for some reason they chose YHVH to be the monotheistic God.

The purpose was to stablish monotheism.

YHVH is not the equivalent of the First Person, the Father.

YHVH is the Hebrew equivalent to the Godhead. But to Christians the Godhead is a complete mystery.

Jesus revealed the Trinity. YHVH it's not the Father.

Christianity brought a new concept beyond the Godhead. This is very complex but that's the very reason why St. Stephen was killed. His speech is about this problem of YHVH vs the Father.

John_Mann

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