If the greatest equalizer is oblivion or nothingness.
What and why disturbed this nothing?
Why there's something rather than nothing?
John_Mann
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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John_Mann
The infinite regress can only be treated with logic.
And thought experiments are in realm of logic. You can't apply the scientific method in this case. No matter what Scientism says about this.
The most popular thought experiment about the infinite regress is the shooting soldiers.
We start with the axiom of the existence of something.
Something exists. Why there's something instead of nothing? Because there's a cause or infinite regress?
There's something. Let's say this something is a gunshot.
Imagine a row (tending to infinity) of soldiers. Every soldier ask to his superior behind (representing the hierarchical chain of cause and effect) an order to shoot.
Let's suppose that a soldier wants to shoot a bullet, but in order to so he must receive an order from his superior, and his superior must himself receive the order from his superior .... if this chain goes to infinity, the first soldier will never shoot a bullet.
If infinite regress is real the order to shoot would never be made. But there's a gunshot (something) so must be a first cause who gave the order to shoot.
If infinite regress is true then the inevitable question arises "why there's something rather than nothing?"
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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John_Mann
But I don't want to be given the label of nihilist
But you really is a nihilist punk. LOL
What's the problem with a true definition?
I just don't agree with you in the grumpy label. ;)
You being a nihilist I can't give any meaningful statement to you but I can say to you someday you'll be very surprised with the fact that oblivion doesn't exist at all.
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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John_Mann
No you have not seen that. But i guess you'll just make up $hit as go, to try to support your idiotic position.
Actually infinite regress is indeed logically impossible. Proved by several thought experiments.
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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John_Mann
This is a public forum. I can go where I want. I don't need permission or a reason. AND - I can make whatever comments I chose within forum guidelines.
I was just trying to understand you. That's why I said "I (JM) don't know".
Anyway oblivion is meaningless so there's nothing to do beyond accelerate the inevitable and eternal oblivion.
To a nihilist existence is nothing but pain. That's why true nihilist are always drunk and trying to kill themselves.
Beyond that any opinion from a nihilist is literally nothing.
Theism, atheism, agnosticism, whateverism... All meaningless.
Just oblivion "matters".
Existence is only meaningless pain.
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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John_Mann
Good gravy, this is tedious reading.
Idk why you are here punk. Because we are trying to discuss meaning here. We believe in meaning.
A true nihilist would be drinking booze in some backstreet just waiting in torpor for oblivion.
To a nihilist even atheism is meaningless.
Why worry? Why wait? Why expect some meaning from anything?
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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John_Mann
A logically consistent system of thought must embrace some level of doubt (thank you Herr Gödel) as necessary.
But you're demanding proof beyond all doubt.
Don't you see any problem with this statement?
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Atheism = self defeating.
by towerwatchman inatheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
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John_Mann
2- By "prove" I mean establish beyond all reasonable doubt.
By this standard the mainstream definition of atheism is invalid.
There's PROBABLY no God. - Richard Dawkins.
Actually by this standard all definitions in human history are invalid.
BTW how can one accept this very standard as being beyond all reasonable doubt?
This standard doesn't sounds cultish to you?
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Pretend to support Critical Thinking, but forbid it when directed toward the "leadership"
by doubtfull1799 inthis from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.
"keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.
because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .
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John_Mann
The jesus thing would mean nothing, either--and allah would have been zilch in value, too.
Islam wants to rule the entire world. Like you or not.
And the only ones recorded in history capable to stop Islam are Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism.
The "milk-shake" atheism and Scientism will not stop Islam with froth.
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Pretend to support Critical Thinking, but forbid it when directed toward the "leadership"
by doubtfull1799 inthis from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.
"keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.
because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .
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John_Mann
The human nature is religious. Man is a religious being.
Every government in history knew this feature of human nature.
That's why governments always had state or imperial cults. Even in atheist governments like North Korea.
Scientism is the imperial cult of the globalist "government".
This global government is only trying to rule the world. The first thing to rule something is a plan. And the plan of any government must have a religion. Scientism is the chosen cult of the globalist government.
Scientism is spread everywhere now, just like a plague. Interestingly it's adepts are quite unaware of following the cult. It's a very powerful cult.
The Catholic Church prevailed upon several pagan cults including imperial cults but never before a cult like this.
The Scientism on steroids is the technological singularity which they think an AI will build or will be a god.
But I have faith the Church of Christ will prevail once again. The very gates of hell will never prevail upon the Holy Church.