John_Mann

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  Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

  by kpop in

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  so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

  how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

  how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

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  John_Mann

  Christians preach through conversation.

  Islam will never do this. Just violence.

  Who can stop Islam? What history says?

  One useful feature of Christianity is the ability to stop Islam. Atheists must consider this. The threat of Islam is real.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Because if there wasn't anything, we wouldn't be thinking about something.

  This is the answer for "there's something?".

  But if everything inevitably returns to nothing then something is not the default but a disturbance.

  What caused this disturbance? And why? Must be something beyond nothing.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  If the greatest equalizer is oblivion or nothingness.

  What and why disturbed this nothing?

  Why there's something rather than nothing?
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  The infinite regress can only be treated with logic.

  And thought experiments are in realm of logic. You can't apply the scientific method in this case. No matter what Scientism says about this.

  The most popular thought experiment about the infinite regress is the shooting soldiers.

  We start with the axiom of the existence of something.

  Something exists. Why there's something instead of nothing? Because there's a cause or infinite regress?

  There's something. Let's say this something is a gunshot.

  Imagine a row (tending to infinity) of soldiers. Every soldier ask to his superior behind (representing the hierarchical chain of cause and effect) an order to shoot.

  Let's suppose that a soldier wants to shoot a bullet, but in order to so he must receive an order from his superior, and his superior must himself receive the order from his superior .... if this chain goes to infinity, the first soldier will never shoot a bullet.
  

  If infinite regress is real the order to shoot would never be made. But there's a gunshot (something) so must be a first cause who gave the order to shoot.

  If infinite regress is true then the inevitable question arises "why there's something rather than nothing?"
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  But I don't want to be given the label of nihilist

  But you really is a nihilist punk. LOL

  What's the problem with a true definition?

  I just don't agree with you in the grumpy label. ;)

  You being a nihilist I can't give any meaningful statement to you but I can say to you someday you'll be very surprised with the fact that oblivion doesn't exist at all.
  
  
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  No you have not seen that. But i guess you'll just make up $hit as go, to try to support your idiotic position.

  Actually infinite regress is indeed logically impossible. Proved by several thought experiments.

  
  
  
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  This is a public forum. I can go where I want. I don't need permission or a reason. AND - I can make whatever comments I chose within forum guidelines.

  I was just trying to understand you. That's why I said "I (JM) don't know".

  Anyway oblivion is meaningless so there's nothing to do beyond accelerate the inevitable and eternal oblivion.

  To a nihilist existence is nothing but pain. That's why true nihilist are always drunk and trying to kill themselves.

  Beyond that any opinion from a nihilist is literally nothing.

  Theism, atheism, agnosticism, whateverism... All meaningless.

  Just oblivion "matters".

  Existence is only meaningless pain.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  Good gravy, this is tedious reading.

  Idk why you are here punk. Because we are trying to discuss meaning here. We believe in meaning.

  A true nihilist would be drinking booze in some backstreet just waiting in torpor for oblivion.

  To a nihilist even atheism is meaningless.

  Why worry? Why wait? Why expect some meaning from anything?
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  A logically consistent system of thought must embrace some level of doubt (thank you Herr Gödel) as necessary.

  But you're demanding proof beyond all doubt.

  Don't you see any problem with this statement?
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  2- By "prove" I mean establish beyond all reasonable doubt.

  By this standard the mainstream definition of atheism is invalid.

  There's PROBABLY no God. - Richard Dawkins.

  Actually by this standard all definitions in human history are invalid.

  BTW how can one accept this very standard as being beyond all reasonable doubt?

  This standard doesn't sounds cultish to you?