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  Why are the evolutionist's so upset?

  by Esse quam videri in

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  so many evolutionist's on this forum are upset at the terror attacks in europe such as recently in sweden.

  it is just a logical step in the evolution of the human race.

  should you not rather be celebrating the great changes taking place right before your eyes and constructing detailed explanations of the cell structure and dna development in the human brain.. you can't eat your cake and still have it.

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  John_Mann

  @unsure

  Sorry if I misread your position and for being harsh.

  I never said anything was a logical flaw. I said it seems contradictory, (to me).

  Contradiction is a logical flaw.
  
  
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

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  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  I replied that christians constantly make claims about the real world. Therefore it is reasonable to ask for scientific evidence to support those claims.

  Yes.

  I admit Christians make a lot of nonsense claims. Actually I can only defend the official claims made by Catholic Church. Most of the christian denominations have serious logical flaws in their very fundamentals (like sola scriptura for instance).

  There are physical evidences about Eucharist miracles (like Buenos Aires miracle) but they can't be called scientific evidence because repeatability.

  Repeatability is the great science limit because we know there are rare events in the universe.

  Scientism doesn't make any difference between the types of evidence. Their default evidence is the scientific one to anything.

  We will all die just once so it's impossible to talk about death as first person experience in scientific terms.

  But humans are very knowledgeable beings and they are not limited by scientific method to get knowledge from the universe.

  That's alone must be considered when the vast majority of humans have a very intuitive knowledge about life after death. This is testimonial evidence and is accepted in Law for instance.

  I don't need to prove to you this intuitive knowledge. I'm sure you have it. If you think about your own death someway somehow your mind tells you that's not the end.

  How to explain this intuition only by evolution? Where are the evolutionary traces of this human feature in other species?
  
  
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  Slimboyfat mentioned another danger about scientism.

  Scientism is all about reductionism.

  Human mind (psychology) is reduced to the brain (biology).

  The brain is reduced to chemistry.

  And chemistry is reduced to physics.

  At the end they only recognize physics as valid knowledge.

  That's why they use the word "only" (and variations) a lot.

  Actually scientism is very similar to the single-party communist state.

  If you follow the thought you will see very clear how insane it is. Because we can't use physics to understand mental states.
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  Here's a great interview about philosophy of science:

  https://youtu.be/cG3sfrK5B4E
  
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  • John_Mann has stated that his faith rests in part on three specific Roman Catholic miracles. The details of what actually happened on those occasions is a matter for scientific investigation.

  Not exactly miracles:
  

  1- a personal paranormal experience.
  

  2- St. Anselm's ontological argument.

  3- Pascal's wager.
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

  Here's a link from the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS):

  https://www.aaas.org/page/what-scientism

  If you ask for scientific evidence to God then you are a follower of scientism.

  The scientific method is limited by definition to the physical world and God is metaphysical.

  You're trying to comb your hair with a chainsaw.
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  Evolution Deniers - An Endangered Species

  by cofty in

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  evolution explains how everything descended from a common ancestor over millions of years.

  creationists only seem to want to talk about what came before that common ancestor.

  just for the sake of discussion let's pretend that the following is true.

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  John_Mann

  Eliminative materialism is an example.

  Consciousness cannot be scientifically detected so it does not exist at all.

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliminative_materialism
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  Evolution Deniers - An Endangered Species

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  evolution explains how everything descended from a common ancestor over millions of years.

  creationists only seem to want to talk about what came before that common ancestor.

  just for the sake of discussion let's pretend that the following is true.

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  John_Mann

  Sorry cofty but scientism is well defined by philosophers of science.

  I mentioned two famous philosophers of science who wrote about scientism.

  Scientism is bad as creationism.
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  Evolution Deniers - An Endangered Species

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  evolution explains how everything descended from a common ancestor over millions of years.

  creationists only seem to want to talk about what came before that common ancestor.

  just for the sake of discussion let's pretend that the following is true.

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  John_Mann

  Scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  Followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

  And deny any existence that cannot be scientifically detected.
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  Evolution Deniers - An Endangered Species

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  evolution explains how everything descended from a common ancestor over millions of years.

  creationists only seem to want to talk about what came before that common ancestor.

  just for the sake of discussion let's pretend that the following is true.

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  John_Mann

  "Scientism" is a word used by silly people who fear evidence.

  Silly people like Karl Popper and Hilary Putnam?

  So do you deny the very existence of scientism?