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  Is belief in heaven after death relatively new to Christianity?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i was surprised awhile ago when researching about cremation how until maybe 1940's or 1950's even catholics forbid cremation.

  the reason for no cremation was because they believed in a physical resurrection and cremation was a rejection of physical resurrection.

  it seems nowadays no christians believe in a earthly resurrection, only that they all go to heaven.

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  There's no such thing as life on a paradise earth in the bible.

  The bible says the earth will be burned.

  And another one will be created in a glorified form.
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  Is belief in heaven after death relatively new to Christianity?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was surprised awhile ago when researching about cremation how until maybe 1940's or 1950's even catholics forbid cremation.

  the reason for no cremation was because they believed in a physical resurrection and cremation was a rejection of physical resurrection.

  it seems nowadays no christians believe in a earthly resurrection, only that they all go to heaven.

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  John_Mann

  Mainstream christians believe in a physical ressurection when the souls will be reunited with the flesh to the last judgment in the last day.

  After that they bodies will be modified to be imperishable and they will go to heaven or hell with the glorified body, as Jesus did.

  They quote a verse from Job that says something like "these very eyes and not others will see the judgment".

  They believe the very same dust from your deceased body will came back to life.

  It's a vestiginal egyptian belief that survived in christianism.

  WT misuses some texts about the flesh ressurection.
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  Does Death Exist? New theory says "No"

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  maybe someone can post "www.robertlanza.co.

  i hope mr lanza is right in his theory because it is scary not knowing.

  where in the hell i will end up after i die..lol.

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  Here's a quote from Wittgenstein that agrees with my view:

  “Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness, then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present. Our life has no end in the way in which our visual field has no limits.”
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  Does Death Exist? New theory says "No"

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  maybe someone can post "www.robertlanza.co.

  i hope mr lanza is right in his theory because it is scary not knowing.

  where in the hell i will end up after i die..lol.

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  John_Mann

  @Punk: But if you does not experience death, how could you know when you pass through it? If this hypothesis is correct you are always dying and slipping to other universes. Even in this universe we cannot be sure when our consciousness started. When we look back to our conscious life we just see a lot of noise. It's just like a game architect sets the background as a dangling carrot around the player, you always see the background but it moves at same rate as you move. Subjectively speaking your consciousness "start" does not matches with your birth. Same thing when you think about your death, if you pay attention your birth is just a weird event as your future death. You just can talk about your birth and your death as a third person event. That's exactly how a game background works, just to give you an illusion of perspective to a specific level (or universe). It does not matter where you came from or where you going, just interact with the things inside your reach. Same thing happens in our dreams too, we always start in a dream doing something, in my case I usually start in a dream in walking mode. But in dreams we are more interested in the instant action, rarely we stop to think from where we came from or to where we'll go. Try to emulate this mindset to your waking life and you'll enjoy a very good life.

  @EOM: We could slip to a universe where the old age was eradicated just in time to you get the cure.

  Travel in time in one universe seems to be pretty impossible. But we can travel back or forward by slipping into a universe identical to this one, but with a different time frame. So we can travel in time by travelling through universes. I tend to be sympathetic with the hypothesis of memory being a kind of mind travel through universes.

  And for those who think is impossible to exist such vast number of universes, there's a hypothesis that says just a lonely electron can produce an entire universe. Search about one-electron universe.
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  Another Shooting Massacre

  by whathehadas in

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  http://abcnews.go.com/us/santa-barbara-shooting-suspect-calls-loneliness-darkest-hell/story?id=23855994&ts=true.

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  John_Mann

  He reminds the Apostle Paul.
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  Does Death Exist? New theory says "No"

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  maybe someone can post "www.robertlanza.co.

  i hope mr lanza is right in his theory because it is scary not knowing.

  where in the hell i will end up after i die..lol.

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  John_Mann

  It's not a theory, it's a hypothesis.

  It depends on if the multiuniverse theory is right or not.
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  Does Death Exist? New theory says "No"

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  maybe someone can post "www.robertlanza.co.

  i hope mr lanza is right in his theory because it is scary not knowing.

  where in the hell i will end up after i die..lol.

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  John_Mann

  Well try to cross a bullet through your brain and see if quantum suicide is a possible hypothesis.

  By this hypothesis you never experience death in first person perspective. Your consciousness just slip to a slightly different universe where your shot fails and you continues to live.
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  Became a Buddhist!

  by Iown Mylife in

  1. jw
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  i googled "who was buddha," and read that buddha is a title meaning one who has awakened to reality.. sounds good!.

  marina.

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  John_Mann

  Buddhism is very very very interesting.

  To people who feels the need to have a religion I always point to Buddhism.

  Even though I appreciate Buddhism as philosophy.
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  Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?

  by baltar447 in

  1. jw
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  on one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.

  without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.

  they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.

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  John_Mann

  Yes he is.

  The WT reaction is not his fault.

  Even if he was aware of the WT reaction, the more weird rules WT creates better to others recognize it as a trap.

  The best thing to end the WT would be they try mass suicide.

  Sad but true.
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  What is spirit, exactly?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've always wondered that.

  recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

  cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

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  You can prove scientifically that what you are is just merely atoms, molecules and cells.

  Is this all you are?

  How do you measure "you"?

  Spirit can be equal to consciousness. And consciousness does not exist, it's just folk psychology. Consciousness have the same status of demons. At least in materialism. "You" is just a convention.