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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  All of those claims are contradicted by objective facts that are available to all. I set out a number of those inconvenient facts in my OP.
  

  What you mean by "objective fact"? Do you mean the scientific evidence? Do you mean philosophical objectivity? Or objectivism?
  

  You have a very poor understanding about epistemology.

  Everything in the OP, and what I have written in this thread since, applies perfectly to Jehovah of the bible.
  The bible makes a lot of specific claims about Jehovah, his nature and his works.

  And you are right! The concept of Jehovah is a caricature of the concept of God.

  You're always beating a Sola Scriptura/JW/Pentecostal concept of God.

  When you ask theists difficult questions they always want to change the subject.

  You are changing the subject. Sometimes you talk about a very strict concept of God and sometimes you talk about theism as a whole.

  What subject are you talking about?
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  And neither should God be measured by your rules of evidence because God is not physical. - fm

  The difference is that I offer objective evidence against theism. - cofty

  A follower of scientism can't accept something is not physical.

  Ironically they accept several axioms in mathematics and science. Axioms are metaphysical postulates and are the building blocks of the scientific method.

  It's a very contradictory position.
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  Scientism is also an interesting topic. Science has its limitations but there is nothing in my OP that could even remotely be associated with "scientism".

  Your arguments always are centered in scientific evidence. Even in non scientific subjects. This is scientism/positivism.

  The truth is you're a follower of scientism (in denial). And scientism is a philosophical position, in fact a metaphysical position.

  I would like to see your position about the St. Anselm's ontological argument.
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  Again here we go back to anecdotal evidence. Personal experiences are worthless.

  Scientism detected.

  Scientism is a metaphysical interpretation of the scientific method.

  Why do you think the scientific method is a universal tool? Personal opinion?

  The scientific method can't be properly applied to rare events (origin of life or origin of consciousness) and subjectivity.

  Your view is self contradictory. It's just like someone realizing a hammer really works and deciding it can be used to brush the teeth and comb the hair. Wtf?

  
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  Theism is internally contradictory.

  The vast majority of interpretations of theism truly are contradictory.

  But good luck with the ontological argument from Saint Anselm.

  My theism is based on his philosophical argument, in Pascal's wager and in a private revelation to me (a paranormal experience).
  

  https://youtu.be/zCJhEZvhmCc

  https://youtu.be/jsNdL_ANjAA

  https://youtu.be/SIkVU0AcSMw

  
  

  
  
  
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  What do you think the Australian Government will do?

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i am not wanting to start a fight.

  i just want to hear what people think.

  honestly and realistically, what do you think the australian government will do, with watchtower, when they receive the full arc report?.

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  John_Mann

  They will trigger the Great Tribulation...

  I think they will do nothing.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  Yet the Catholic Church certainly does NOT believe that contacting/communicating with demons is BS since it can lead to demon possession which in turn will require an exorcism.

  This subject is full of popular misconceptions. Demons are much more subtle in their deceptions.

  Do you mean you want some truth coming from a demon?
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  In any event, I'm baffled that a devout Catholic like you views contacting demons as BS when the Catholic church is infamously known for its legendary exorcisms.

  Exorcism is not communication.

  What's the point of God creating an immaterial soul that does the same thing as the brain? Why the duplication?

  Not necessarily duplication but enhancement. And the process is broken we don't know exactly how it meant to be. Probably it was not meant to be any duplication in the original plan.
  

  How are you able to distinguish what your brain does from what your immaterial soul does?

  The first step is to check out the animal behaviour in other species and see differences and similarities.

  Non human animals don't have immortal souls.
  
  
  

  
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  Well, I guess if an AI ever does develop consciousness it would settle the debate, though I'm sure theists would still find a way to argue against it. That is if the AI doesn't wipe us all out.

  Maybe I'm wrong but I can't think of how to argue against Al's consciousness.

  This would settle the debate.

  But something much stranger would be if this AI says to have a spiritual soul too.
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  John_Mann

  This is not true. I am sorry, but I have to say that you are being dishonest.
  The Bible texts regarding spiritism (not all were included in my comments above) are very clear, unambiguous, unequivocal and explicit regarding the dangers of and penalties for engaging in spiritism.

  For instance you interpret these events like being communication with the dead. But there's an interpretation this event is about communication with demons. And a lot more theological interpretations. These particular events say nothing to me.

  BTW, where does your reason come from? Your immaterial soul or your brain?

  Both if you mean reason as intellect.

  But the ability to decide, the will, comes entirely from the soul.