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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

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  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

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  John_Mann

  i've accepted my agnosticism, but doesn't mean I'm comfortable with it.

  Pascal's wager for you, EdenOne.
  
  
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  Mathematics and the scientific method are metaphysical in nature.

  Scientific method is metaphysics applied to the physical world only.

  The scientific method is built upon several axioms.

  Every axiom is metaphysical. Axioms are taken to be true through pure faith.

  Sometimes mathematical principles can be used by the scientific method.
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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  John_Mann

  Please keep in mind my own agnosticism. I'm not taking sides here, merely instigating debate.

  Really?

  You looks like an atheist to me.

  If you really reached agnosticism then the only thing you must be concerned is the Pascal's wager.
  
  
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  I suggest we stick to the theological assumptions intended by the OP.
  

  Evidently.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  If you can prove this, you will be the most famous, rich, popular person in the universe! Please provide the evidence.

  It's already mathematically proved by Einstein.

  The singularity is the point "where" all physical laws collapse (including space and time).

  Metaphysics = beyond physics.

  So the cause of the singularity must be metaphysical.

  
  
  
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  Because a first cause is a logical necessity.

  Infinite regress is logically impossible.

  The first cause of the physical universe is the Big Bang.

  The cause of the Big Bang is metaphysical.

  The first metaphysical cause is God.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  What intelligent designer made god?

  God is the First Cause.

  Oh wait have we established which god we are talking about yet? No? OK

  I only accept the Catholic concept of God.
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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  John_Mann

  Authenticity.

  God is justice. Justice demands authenticity. Free-will must be tested.

  Humans and every spiritual being must be tested.

  Even God put Himself under the test of authenticity. The ultimate reason why He did it it's a complete mystery. Same thing to His baptism.

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authenticity_(philosophy)
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  I admit that the several Christian concepts of God are responsible for undefeatable justifications to Atheism.

  Sad but true.

  Atheism is not a conclusion from any formal logical argument.

  Atheism is just a valid denial of absurd concepts of God.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  Christians make a lot of specific claims about god. It is possible to show that these claims cannot be reconciled with each other or with reality.

  True.

  Every Christian must be an atheist depending on conflicting concepts of God.

  There are several concepts of God in Christianity that doesn't make any sense at all.

  The concept of Jehovah is absurd.

  The calvinist concept of God is absurd.

  But there are very sophisticated concepts of God in Christianity and outside like the Hindu concept of Brahmam, for example.